200NL - puke and fold?

[adMIT defeat]

This hand was live at Foxwoods.

Hero ~ $350
Villain ~ $400

Table has been extremely loose with an essentially constant live straddle. In the only significant hand Villain has played, he flopped a set under set (555 v 777), got all-in on the flop, and caught quads on the river.

A few hands later, this hand played out:

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5c6s on the button. (9 players)
UTG straddles, calls all around. Straddle checks.

Flop: (36$) 4d 8h 7s (9 players)
Checks to Hero who bets $30. Folds to Villain in MP who calls quickly.

Turn: (96$) 8s (2 players)
Villain checks. Hero thinks, then bets $50. Villain thinks for awhile, finally calling $50.

River: (196$) 2c (2 players)
Villain thinks, then checks. Hero considers for awhile, then bets $50. Villain instantly goes all-in.

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Does villain ever show up with a bluff here? ex. a pair and a spade draw?

Does villain ever value bet a non-boat 8?

The passive play up until the river seems uncharacteristic of a set. The play at the table has been pretty aggressive with big hands, so I'd expect him to come out betting (especially given the previous set over set hand).

Is this a puke and fold?

[EWS87]

at foxwoods this is a double fist pump snap call

[Al_Money]

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at foxwoods this is a double fist pump snap call

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yup, and I'd bet more on the turn.

[pureklas]

Bet more on the turn. His play doesn't add up, you say he played his set fast the last time? Then id maybe call.

[adMIT defeat]

Seems like consensus dictates a call, which is what I did.

He flipped over 87o for the turned boat.

[EWS87]

it happens, i was pretty sure u were going to say that, otherwise you wouldn't have posted

its really a clear call though

[thac]

I think you need to bet more like 75-80 on the turn, and makes the river a much easier bet/call. Villain can have 98 (quick call with tp, turned trips so is 'trapping'), A8, or could have the same hand some of the time. I think this is fine.

[pureklas]

The main thing about this hand is you made weak bets on both the turn and tiver. If you make a strong bet and are still reraised then finding a fold can be easier. 50 into the river looks like a blocking bet more than a value bet be aware of your bets sizes.

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The main thing about this hand is you made weak bets on both the turn and tiver. If you make a strong bet and are still reraised then finding a fold can be easier. 50 into the river looks like a blocking bet more than a value bet be aware of your bets sizes.

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How can it be a blocking bet when hero can close the action by checking behind? Also more substantial bets would make calling easier due to getting a better price, not the other way around.