My two 3 barrel bluffs, need your opinoin.

friend_ · #1 09-21-2007, 11:12 PM

In both hands my image is standart TAG.

1)
Villain is 18/10/2.79, wtsd -30%, no special reads.

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Button ($2700.46)
SB ($1314.75)
BB ($919.58)
Hero ($1000)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $35, Button calls $35, 2 folds.

Flop: ($85) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $68, Button calls $68.

Turn: ($221) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $158, Button calls $158.

River: ($537) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $358.

2)
Villain is 53/20/1.53, wtsd - 24% - 100hands.

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UTG ($1594.75)
MP ($1048)
Hero ($1000)
Button ($185)
SB ($1013)
BB ($1483)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $35, 2 folds, BB calls $25.

Flop: ($75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $20, Hero raises to $90, BB calls $70.

Turn: ($255) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $170, BB calls $170.

River: ($595) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero puts villain on a draw and bets $369

spiff21 · #2 09-21-2007, 11:23 PM

I would bet more on the river in hand 1 to put pressure on two pair hands. Maybe $450.

Hand 2 looks OK to me, if you put him on a draw.

jlocdog · #3 09-22-2007, 01:47 AM

Hand 1 is fine as the cards came out. I want to just mention that by betting the turn you almost have to 3barrel it. Having a card that you can represent makes it look good. If the 2h fell though your line would look like crap because a river bet would seem weak but your turn action would dictate one. Or you can look at it as you should not have bet the turn in the first place.

Hand 2 I would not be betting the turn with position. OOP I b/3b all day. No need since your hand is so well disguised and it is likely you get paid off if you hit to have to put your money in before you get there.

3barrel bluffs are difficult since the turn and river cards have to fall just right for everything to work out well. If a bad card falls, it not only ruins your 3bet bluff attempt but also makes your turn bet look bad thus losing you 2 rounds of betting. Can be expensive. Good for meta if you don't mind the variance though.

ogdundar · #4 09-22-2007, 06:04 AM

Whats your name on IPoker, spiff? If you don't mind teling me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

AAismyfriend · #5 09-22-2007, 06:34 AM

I think both are good and necessary given how the cards came out here.

Panny1 · #6 09-22-2007, 07:16 AM

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Erik W · #7 09-22-2007, 08:07 AM

1 seems perfect.
2 is ok at times.

He might have TT-QQ and call you down.
Some people shuts down with overpairs and call you down.

The K does not matter that much in this instance. No way anybody thinks you are helped by it.

Ahnother high card at the river and this is a clear 3 barrel.

RiverHebrew2 · #8 09-22-2007, 09:32 AM

Hand 1 I like... hand 2 I don't like- I put him on 9x or 7x and prob calling this riv cuz he seems like idiot donk.

MATT111 · #9 09-22-2007, 10:23 AM

2 is perfect. In 1 you should bet more on the turn and river imo.

friend_ · #10 09-22-2007, 05:29 PM

I personally dont like my turn bet in 2 hand without having special reads. These guys with stats like 50/14/2 - 20%WTSD usually make very very strange plays.
His call of my big flop raise was very suspicious, if he is on a draw my turn bet gives me nothing, besides the fact that he may push me out of the pot with a big turn chr.
So, I think turn bet was at least marginal.

Also does wtsd VPT - 50% and WTSD 20% is like having VPT 25% and WTSD 40%??