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09-21-2007, 03:37 PM
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FT $50--TPGK--- BEING OOP SUCKS
I continually have trouble in these types of spots. Recently had a similar hand against a 29/1 and it threw me....and here we go again....
In this instance, BB is a relative tool at 39/25/2 and sees a lot of flops. I feel I can handle him since I have position on him. MP2 is 16/10/1.5 over about 70 hands and hasn't done anything memorable. MP3 is 24/5/1 over 150 hands or so and also not overly memorable. Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver) saw flop|saw showdown[/b] Button ($68.45) SB ($42.05) BB ($104.70) UTG ($53) [b]Cardsman ($71.75)[b] MP1 ($36.65) MP2 ($63.70) MP3 ($46.75) CO ($64.20) Preflop: Cardsman is UTG+1 with Q  , A . 1 fold, Cardsman raises to $2, 1 fold, MP2 calls $2, MP3 calls $2, 3 folds, BB calls $1.50. Flop: ($8.25) 9 , A, 6 (4 players)BB checks, Cardsman bets $7, MP2 calls $7, MP3 folds, BB folds. <font color="red"> <-----No way I can check this flop and give a draw free cards, even though NLHE T&P says I might need to. Plus, if he is paying attention he would notice I cbet a lot of flops and it would be suspicious... </font> Turn: ($22.25) 5  (2 players)Cardsman bets $13, MP2 calls $13. <font color="red"><-----I felt this bet would make him define his hand as two pair, set, or straight. I felt he would raise turn with a made hand and I could still get away. </font> River: ($48.25) K (2 players)<font color="red"> Cardsman beats his head on the table and...???</font> If I check the river, I am very vulnerable to a bluff in a hand where I could be ahead and I would like a cheap showdown. He may not allow a cheap showdown. Betting into him when I am behind is spew, though. I know this should be a small pot hand but not sure how to keep it small. Hand is so much easier in position..... 
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#3
10-03-2007, 02:59 PM
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Re: FT $50--TPGK--- BEING OOP SUCKS
I'm not sure why you think the K is such a bad card. AK was already beating you here. There aren't many other hands that stuck around after the flop and turn and then improved with the K on river. (Maybe KK?) You were already either way ahead or way behind.
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#4
10-03-2007, 03:05 PM
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Re: FT $50--TPGK--- BEING OOP SUCKS
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I'm not sure why you think the K is such a bad card. AK was already beating you here. There aren't many other hands that stuck around after the flop and turn and then improved with the K on river. (Maybe KK?) You were already either way ahead or way behind. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think he's afraid of the K, but the fact that he's OOP in a big pot and doesn't know where he's at. Personally despite the flush draw, I'd check the turn for pot control and to under represent my hand and either c/c or b/f the river in a much smaller pot.
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#5
10-03-2007, 08:47 PM
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Re: FT $50--TPGK--- BEING OOP SUCKS
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you only beat a bluff. Since MP2 has lowish AF, c/f and hope he checks behind. oh yah, and bold is awesome [/ QUOTE ] lol help me fix it then!! Artemis hit it on the head. K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is an easy fold. However, here is the hand against the 29/1 that I posted on FTR, so check this out.... Villain is 29/1/1 over about 70 hands..... What do you do on the turn? I wonder if I really beat anything at that point.... Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver) MP2 ($14.50) MP3 ($11.80) CO ($31.35) Button ($6) SB ($57.55) Hero ($56.45) UTG ($49.25) UTG+1 ($16.10) MP1 ($80.60) Preflop: Hero is BB with Q  , A. [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, [color=#666666]5 folds</font>, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $3</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $2. Flop: ($6.25) 8 , 6, A [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>[color=#CC3333]Hero bets $4.5</font>, MP1 calls $4.50. Turn: ($15.25) J [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>Hero checks, [color=#CC3333]MP1 bets $9</font>, Hero ......
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#6
10-04-2007, 12:36 PM
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Re: FT $50--TPGK--- BEING OOP SUCKS
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What do you do on the turn? I wonder if I really beat anything at that point [/ QUOTE ] I think check/folding the turn is pretty weak. I would check/call the turn or bet/fold the turn, depending upon stack sizes and the player. I would lean more towards a bet/fold in this position. FWIW, I hate playing A,Q OOP like this as well and don't bother raising it from the blinds.
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#7
10-04-2007, 01:34 PM
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Re: FT $50--TPGK--- BEING OOP SUCKS
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[ QUOTE ] What do you do on the turn? I wonder if I really beat anything at that point [/ QUOTE ] I think check/folding the turn is pretty weak. I would check/call the turn or bet/fold the turn, depending upon stack sizes and the player. I would lean more towards a bet/fold in this position. FWIW, I hate playing A,Q OOP like this as well and don't bother raising it from the blinds. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, c/c'ing the turn is often a good play here. However, since this semi-passive player will often tell us where we are at by raising I like a bet. I actually like the semi-small bet also. However, on the river he either missed a FD or is slowplaying us. He probably won't be bluffing often enough for us to call a bet and he probably won't call with worse hands often enough on the river. Therefore, I like a check/fold but I would expect him to check behind a lot.
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