downcall 2

gemmer · #1 03-02-2006, 12:19 PM

Opponent is 34/21/1.1

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 folds, MP calls, 1 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB folds, MP folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.00 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.00 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.00 BB.

Gildwulf · #2 03-02-2006, 12:21 PM

What is SB raising here into a field of four people?

jfunk · #3 03-02-2006, 12:25 PM

you are drawing pretty thin here enough to fold the turn. it seems like an easy decision, unless you have some solid info on the villian which you aren't sharing, he'd have to be pretty bad to check raise here without a K, given the amount of players who saw the flop

Spicymoose · #4 03-02-2006, 12:28 PM

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I think a lot of people c/r the flop with a worse 8. I don't know if it happens often enough to justify continuing past the turn though.

Gildwulf · #5 03-02-2006, 12:31 PM

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I think a lot of people c/r the flop with a worse 8. I don't know if it happens often enough to justify continuing past the turn though.

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I'm not sure people are c-raising here with hands like T8 or J8...I would c-raise here with A8 or K8 definitely but J8 may be wishful thinking.

Spicymoose · #6 03-02-2006, 12:33 PM

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What is SB raising here into a field of four people?

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I think a lot of people c/r the flop with a worse 8. I don't know if it happens often enough to justify continuing past the turn though.

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I'm not sure people are c-raising here with hands like T8 or J8...I would c-raise here with A8 or K8 definitely but J8 may be wishful thinking.

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You have to remember not to put villains on ranges of what YOU would do. I can tell you for a fact that I know plenty of people that would c/r J8, T8, and even 98. I think in the past, I might have even tried something such as that. Just because a move isn't correct, doesn't mean our opponents won't try it.

Gildwulf · #7 03-02-2006, 12:38 PM

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What is SB raising here into a field of four people?

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I think a lot of people c/r the flop with a worse 8. I don't know if it happens often enough to justify continuing past the turn though.

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I'm not sure people are c-raising here with hands like T8 or J8...I would c-raise here with A8 or K8 definitely but J8 may be wishful thinking.

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You have to remember not to put villains on ranges of what YOU would do. I can tell you for a fact that I know plenty of people that would c/r J8, T8, and even 98. I think in the past, I might have even tried something such as that. Just because a move isn't correct, doesn't mean our opponents won't try it.

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I play 30/20 and he plays 30/20...not an unreasonable assumption to say 'what would a 30/20 c-r with here'

krishan · #8 03-02-2006, 12:41 PM

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What is SB raising here into a field of four people?

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I think a lot of people c/r the flop with a worse 8. I don't know if it happens often enough to justify continuing past the turn though.

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I'm not sure people are c-raising here with hands like T8 or J8...I would c-raise here with A8 or K8 definitely but J8 may be wishful thinking.

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I'm pretty sure I check raise any pair here.

Board: Ks 8h 3h 3c 3d
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 46.5758 % 46.58% 00.00% { 2h2s }
Hand 2: 53.4242 % 53.42% 00.00% { 88+, A8s+, KTs+, QJs, A9o+, KJo+ }

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4,461,190 games 4.468 secs 998,475 games/sec

Board: Ks 8h 3h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 38.0331 % 38.02% 00.01% { 2h2s }
Hand 2: 61.9669 % 61.95% 00.01% { 88+, A8s+, KTs+, QJs, A9o+, KJo+ }

Krishan

Gildwulf · #9 03-02-2006, 12:43 PM

OK, villain is also laggier than I thought (I confused this thread with gemmer's other one) so any 8 is a possibility.

JohnnyHumongous · #10 03-02-2006, 12:46 PM

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What is SB raising here into a field of four people?

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I think a lot of people c/r the flop with a worse 8. I don't know if it happens often enough to justify continuing past the turn though.

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I'm not sure people are c-raising here with hands like T8 or J8...I would c-raise here with A8 or K8 definitely but J8 may be wishful thinking.

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You have to remember not to put villains on ranges of what YOU would do. I can tell you for a fact that I know plenty of people that would c/r J8, T8, and even 98. I think in the past, I might have even tried something such as that. Just because a move isn't correct, doesn't mean our opponents won't try it.

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I play 30/20 and he plays 30/20...not an unreasonable assumption to say 'what would a 30/20 c-r with here'

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30/20 has nothing to do with one's postflop play