$22 Party, two times 33

ouwep · #1 09-19-2007, 12:57 PM

Maybe this is really standard... but I use to fold these hands.

Like my new line?

Hand 1:

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t20/t40
8 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t4220
UTG+1: t3820
MP1: t120
MP2: t4160
CO: t1940
Hero: t1940
SB: t1960
BB: t1840

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls t40 (pot was t60), UTG+1 calls t40 (pot was t100), MP1 raises all-in t120, 2 folds, Hero calls t120 (pot was t260), SB folds, BB calls t80 (pot was t380), UTG raises all-in t4180, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds.

Hand 2:

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t20/t40
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: t1820
UTG+1: t1940
MP1: t1760
MP2: t4180
CO: t3200
Button: t1060
SB: t4140
BB: t1900

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero calls t40 (pot was t60), 5 folds, SB raises to t140, BB folds, Hero calls t100 (pot was t200).

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t320, 2 players)
SB bets t150, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: t150 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: t320

Greets wessel

sence25 · #2 09-19-2007, 12:58 PM

i play it the same

vers · #3 09-19-2007, 01:20 PM

yikes, I fold both pre.

semu · #4 09-19-2007, 01:57 PM

I would play the same way but I wouldn't fold to a cbet in the second hand. Calling or putting in a raise will let you see where you stand. If your raise is called then I would be thinking of check/folding the hand, unless a 3 comes on the turn or river. He has the lead in the hand but you have position!

Scotty_12 · #5 09-19-2007, 02:44 PM

Hand 2 i fold pre. Hand 1 I am calling if I feel utg and utg+1 suck and will play passively postflop whcih might let me see a turn, or stack me hard hwen I hit a set. I dont think folding either pf is bad

KCW12 · #6 09-19-2007, 03:48 PM

Hand 1, I fold preflop. 33 is not a hand I like playing early with a raise in front. Hand 2, limping UTG is a bit loose, so I usually fold here too, but I definitely fold to a raise.

sence25 · #7 09-19-2007, 04:17 PM

please don't fold this pre, you can stack him way too often when you hit your set.

ouwep · #8 09-19-2007, 05:56 PM

Hmmm... different opinions.

more comments/ideas are welcome!

PimpKid1 · #9 09-19-2007, 06:03 PM

Personally, I think small pairs such as 33 have a negative EV in STTs. I would personally just fold these and push near the bubble because you have something in case the other players pushes back. Early on it could work if you catch trips, but even then there are many hands drawing against you.

ouwep · #10 09-19-2007, 06:17 PM

@ Scotty:

Why do you fold hand 2? it is only t40 with a chance to see a flop and hit a set... Do you fold 88/99 also UTG?

@ KCW12:

Why do you fold hand 2 after the raise? The t100 to call is only ~6% of our stack and we have set value?