Could you ever laydown KK here?!

[Tackleberry]

Hello guys,

the following hand I observed yesterday in a local $200-live-tourney. 25 players started, ten were busted, the blinds were at 40/80. The "hero" in this hand seemed to be a normal player, having done nothing extraordinary so far. The villain was a young guy with sunglasses who played very few hands so far.

Ok, let´s start with what I observed:

Hero has about 5k, Villain has slightly more than 2k.

Table is 7-handed, Hero is UTG and makes a min-raise to 160. All fold, Villain in SB flat-calls, BB folds.

The flop comes:

Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Villain checks, Hero makes it 300 to go, Villain calls.

The turn comes 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Villain insta-pushes (about 1.7k)!

Hero thinks for about one minute, mumbling with his himself, than talking half to his opponent as "you´ve got 2-pair? A straight? A flush-draw?", finally folds and shows black kings(!!) while making the following comment: "At least you had a flush-draw and I don´t want to risk this.".

I assume this to be a horrible fold!! For the following reason: a flush-draw would be out of question, it is terrible to fold a hand as the 4:1-favourite. How probable is a made straight? Remember that Villain played very (!) few hand so far - would he really have called a ep-minraise from the button with something like 97? If he had the (nut-)straight - would he have pushed the turn? This would have been completely senseless in my eyes. As well (but after all not impossible) if he had made a 2-pair. I think the most likely holding of Villain is either a flush-draw or complete air while trying to sell the straight.

What are you thinking about this?

[21times20]

i don't like folding here, but it has to be a better play than min-raising utg with KK

[levAA]

if he has the nut straight he is a donk
this looks like a draw - maybe with a pair

i think KK is in front here most of the time

[Tooorero86]

i think this is a FD or AQ/KQ often enough to call , since u also have still 30bbs left when losing

[HoyleGoneFishin]

Yeah this is a pretty clear call. You really fear a hand like 56 the most here. He can only have a straight or set if he's a very clever player trying to look like a draw.

Very likely he picked up a two way draw of some sort (pair and flush draw or some such) and has decided to take a stab. I'd say two pair is about equally likely with a hand like AQ (now he moves because he's scared of draws).

In balance, a call, but this is the kind of fold you see a lot in live tourneys. Onliners tend to play well enough to make the call.

Alas I remember the good old days when online players were weaker than live ones. Long since passed.

Btw, I don't mind the miniraise with KK, but it's gambly and you've got to be able to play well, which this guy probably couldn't.

dez

[quirkasaurus]

i think i'd call... but then again, i probably bet more pre-flop
to push out stupid hands like 9-7s...

then after the flop, nothing scarey, another huge bet,
like he did...

... but then, I gotta fold after that turn...
I'm thinking he has trips at least and pushed
because the board was looking too draw heavy.

then again.... maybe he only has a pair of queens....
aurgh... tough decision... so.... survey says FOLD.

[tomek322]

i dont fold. I doubt we get 97s to fold the flop.

[wizard]

Hate the mini raise but sure hope that I get to play against both people. Hero is too weak tight and don't know about villan but my notes after this hand will be golden.

[nath]

wtf hero has the nizzles, hero is a pussy

[THEOSU]

hero also invites this crap by sucking at raising preflop.