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Old 09-18-2007, 06:55 AM
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Default 25NL - Two JJ hands

Villain is 38/8.6/1.4 over 243 hands

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $68.20
BB: $25.00
UTG: $25.00
MP: $76.00
CO: $47.10
Hero (BTN): $25.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $0.50</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $6.35</font>, Hero calls $4.35

Flop: ($13.05) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($13.05) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $9.00</font>, MP calls $9.00

River: ($31.05) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $9.65</font>

I mean he could have a week K here but I wouldn't expect 2 checks with any K here. Good line? I'm putting him on either a lower PP or a flush draw.
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Villain is 27/10/2 over 245
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $29.00
BB: $18.80
UTG: $30.65
MP: $26.10
CO: $24.65
BTN: $65.95

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $0.85</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $0.85, Hero calls $0.75, BB folds

Flop: ($2.80) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $2.80</font>

Should I have 3 bet PF? Or maybe led flop?
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:25 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - Two JJ hands

Hand 1 Id check behind he isnt going to call with anything you beat, and i dont think he lays down QQ on the river when he called turn.

Hand 2 Id 3bet pf and go from there
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:28 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - Two JJ hands

Hand 1 - Fold pre, check river.

Hand 2 - You can 3bet if you want, i fold flop. I dont lead, id hate to be called and be OOP and not know where i am.

You may have leaks with your PP's(overplay them)
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:32 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - Two JJ hands

Hand 1 is fold pre flop
The second hand I like to check/raise him on the flop, although his bet looks strong.But with no read I prefer check/fold the flop.
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:38 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - Two JJ hands

1st hand: I think folding preflop is correct, given villains stats. As played, I bet the flop. When I check the flop, Im not betting a blank turn ever.
On the river, I check behind, as he probably doesnt fold QQ.

2nd hand: 3b preflop, as played I check/fold obv.
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:40 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - Two JJ hands

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Hand 1 is fold pre flop
The second hand I like to check/raise him on the flop

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A high board is better for this IMO.
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:43 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - Two JJ hands

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Hand 1 is fold pre flop
The second hand I like to check/raise him on the flop

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A high board is better for this IMO.

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Yes I was thinking the same but I would still do it here, but you are right its better on a high board.
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:55 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - Two JJ hands

A high = Ace high, to clarify.

Due to reduced AA/AK combos.
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Old 09-18-2007, 08:00 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - Two JJ hands

just to clarify. we are folding pf after the 4-bet, right?
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Old 09-18-2007, 08:04 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - Two JJ hands

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just to clarify. we are folding pf after the 4-bet, right?

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Yeah, his range just got alot tighter with this new info and the price went up reducing our implied odds.

One reason i dislike reraising PP's, they often go to waste.
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