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Old 09-17-2007, 12:00 PM
Yearning Yearning is offline
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Default Who folds the river this much?

I recently played 22k games of PLO10 (yes im a bottom feeder) with a true bb/100 of 10. Yet im folding to a bet 75% of the time on the river. Upon playing 4k hands of PLO25 (watch out i may stack u some day cymr) im folding there 79% of the time while winning at the same previous rate...for now.

Im assuming these situations are a total judgement call based on the brd, villian(s) and amount bet/alrdy invested. But your personal skill level must influence your actions and give a % that stays relatively constant.

So Im curious if the number varies greatly between winning players/styles like VIP/PFR does or if I am playing badly and making all kinds of judgement errors on the river.

Yes I used search to no avail and hope this doesnt fall under the hows my vip/pfr, bb/100 posts that show up here every week. If so I apologize profusely in advance.
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Old 09-17-2007, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: Who folds the river this much?

where do you find this stat? I'm going to guess that at low levels you should be folding a lot to a river bet because your opponents are so passive.
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Old 09-17-2007, 01:59 PM
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Default Re: Who folds the river this much?

Its in the "General Info" part of PTO ring game player statistics.

Click on "More Detail" button and its the third last heading.
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Old 09-17-2007, 04:11 PM
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Default Re: Who folds the river this much?

wow mine is 71%. 75% when adjusted for 5+ handed. I bet this is higher than most winners. In general I think people don't bluff enough on the river, but maybe I am taking it too far. My w$@sd is 52, how does yours compare with this?
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Old 09-17-2007, 04:46 PM
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Default Re: Who folds the river this much?

Im currently going to SD 16.76% of the time and W$@SD 50.53%.
The other 22k sample of PLO10 was 19.47% and 47.89%.

Well if a winning higher limit player like yourself is in the 70's then maybe im not being too much of a nit.

If some other players would be willing to post their folding to a river bet %'s too it would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 09-17-2007, 04:56 PM
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Default Re: Who folds the river this much?

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wow mine is 71%. 75% when adjusted for 5+ handed. I bet this is higher than most winners. In general I think people don't bluff enough on the river, but maybe I am taking it too far. My w$@sd is 52, how does yours compare with this?

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You should bluff around 25-42% of the time depending on the draw and how much your opponent will call.

People usually do things too much though (which is what you are saying). So your opponents will mostly either always call or almost never call. In that event don't worry about Nash equilibriums.
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Old 09-17-2007, 05:45 PM
thisnamedoesntfi thisnamedoesntfi is offline
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Default Re: Who folds the river this much?

I've won at 18 BB/100 in my 7,758 hand "career". My fold to river bet is 67% my W$@SD is 45.74%.

This is all at $10/ $20/ $25PLO.
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Old 09-18-2007, 01:10 AM
alavet alavet is offline
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Default Re: Who folds the river this much?

thats why this stat is so important even i dont able to see it in pahud. if you know how to solve that problem please let me know
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Old 09-18-2007, 02:34 AM
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Default Re: Who folds the river this much?

mine is 62.3%, but i'm a calling station

edit: my w$sd is 47.5%
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Old 09-18-2007, 02:43 AM
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Default Re: Who folds the river this much?

Over my ~50k hands at 1/2 to 5/10 (75% at 1/2), my river fold = 70.79% and W$@SD = 47.76%

My PTBB/100 = 8.74 as well
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