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Old 09-16-2007, 05:44 PM
cs3 cs3 is offline
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Default QQ - multiway montone flop - difficult turn spot

<font color="blue"> BB is a standard stars TAG. doesnt play fancy, not real creative. runs 19/14ish. hasnt been in any signifigant pots since ive sat down

CO is a 34/6 donk who bought in for only 50bb's
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Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $332.30
BB: $195.90
Hero (UTG): $436.60
MP: $259.95
CO: $89.60
BTN: $220.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, MP folds, CO calls $8.00, 2 folds, BB calls $6.00

Flop: ($25) 6 9 5 (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $21.00</font>, CO calls $21.00, BB calls $21.00
<font color="blue"> i think i shouldve bet more?.... i sometimes overbet monotone flops with overpairs, sets, flushes, lone Ad etc but didnt this time. </font>

Turn: ($88) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, HERO???
<font color="blue"> now what? so many options... </font>
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Old 09-16-2007, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: QQ - multiway montone flop - difficult turn spot

I usually give up on the flop. Could be drawing dead and its almost impossible to win a decent pot here. OOP its not worth it, just imagine you raised with bananas and give up.
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Old 09-16-2007, 06:53 PM
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Default Re: QQ - multiway montone flop - difficult turn spot

Board sucks hard, i'd check behind.
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Old 09-16-2007, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: QQ - multiway montone flop - difficult turn spot

vs 2 villains i'm not putting anything else in the pot. flop is fine.
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Old 09-17-2007, 02:26 AM
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Default Re: QQ - multiway montone flop - difficult turn spot

check fold is what i do
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Old 09-17-2007, 04:21 AM
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Default Re: QQ - multiway montone flop - difficult turn spot

Some west coast sh*t. I'm all in.
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Old 09-17-2007, 04:22 AM
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Default Re: QQ - multiway montone flop - difficult turn spot

just get it hard
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Old 09-17-2007, 02:41 PM
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Default Re: QQ - multiway montone flop - difficult turn spot

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Turn: ($88) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, HERO checks, CO bets 12 (wtf?), BB shoves for 160


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i think that action made it a pretty clear fold but i wasnt sure about my intitial turn check.
and if BB had just called the $12 bet or folded, then its an easy shove, right?
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Old 09-17-2007, 03:04 PM
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Default Re: QQ - multiway montone flop - difficult turn spot

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Turn: ($88) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, HERO checks, CO bets 12 (wtf?), BB shoves for 160


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i think that action made it a pretty clear fold but i wasnt sure about my intitial turn check.
and if BB had just called the $12 bet or folded, then its an easy shove, right?

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This is an odd spot. I'm not sure if this is a clear fold. Especially the way stars 200NL has been playing the last few weeks. What is your sample size on the BB? What range did you put him on preflop?

Edit, And I really think you need to bet this turn. By you not betting, you really skew your ability to put the BB on a hand here.
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Old 09-18-2007, 06:04 PM
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Default Re: QQ - multiway montone flop - difficult turn spot

i had ~200 hands on BB. his range PF is mostly PP's &lt; T, sometimes sc's and sometimes AXs where X &lt; J.

i couldnt rally put BB on an exact hand, but there are jsut sooo many random holding that have me drawing dead or close to it.
i mean he could easily have any 2 pair hand, straights (67s, 78s, Ad7x etc), weirdly played set, and even nut flush is a possibilty because he knows with the pots size he'll be able to easily get it in on the turn + river without raisng the flop.
and the few hands he could be shoving that dont have me beat already have pretty good equity vs QQ so i just gave up and folded.

so should turn be a b/f for like 65? it just didnt seem likely i was still ahead vs 2 villains, even if i did have the best hand on the flop
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