[NL200] TP2K oop in RR pot vs good opp

13_Xerxes · #1 09-14-2007, 08:46 AM

Villain is 25/22/3 (356h), but today he is playing 35/32/1.5 (31h).

I have a very tight image, 1st time I reraise him.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($199.55)
UTG ($225.30)
MP ($212.55)
CO ($68.75)
Button ($212.90)
Hero ($198)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises to $8, Hero raises to $27, 1 fold, Button calls $19.

Flop: ($56) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $35, Hero calls $35.

Turn: ($126) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $74, Hero raises to $136

How is my line ? Am I too passiv ?
Or must I just check-call turn & river ?
I've take some time to call his flop bet, maybe he thinks I am on KK or QQ...

Craggoo · #2 09-14-2007, 09:53 AM

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Villain is 25/22/3 (356h), but today he is playing 35/32/1.5 (31h).

I have a very tight image, 1st time I reraise him.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($199.55)
UTG ($225.30)
MP ($212.55)
CO ($68.75)
Button ($212.90)
Hero ($198)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises to $8, Hero raises to $27, 1 fold, Button calls $19.

Flop: ($56) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $35, Hero calls $35.

Turn: ($126) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $74, Hero raises to $136

How is my line ? Am I too passiv ?
Or must I just check-call turn & river ?
I've take some time to call his flop bet, maybe he thinks I am on KK or QQ...

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These numbers seem to indicate that
a) hes able to float in position with a lot of holdings
b) that he raises a lot in the button/co
c) that you are likely ahead of his range if a/b are the case
Unless the hh converter somehow messed up, that is a little bit off a min-raise (which btw is ALWAYS a bad bet).

sawseech · #3 09-14-2007, 10:01 AM

betsize does not compute

Stonewalled · #4 09-14-2007, 10:30 AM

Too passive on the flop. Why not continuation bet? I would virtually always in this spot on this board.

As played, I wouldn't c/r the turn -- frankly not sure if I would bet or c/c the river -- your hand might have more value as a bluff catcher.

I don't know, maybe it's fine, it just seems like a strange line to play a modest hand.

Craggoo · #5 09-14-2007, 10:49 AM

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As played, I wouldn't c/r the turn -- frankly not sure if I would bet or c/c the river -- your hand might have more value as a bluff catcher.

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Since you played so passively, i would advocate this line much more just to find out what sort of hands hes betting/calling raises with for some information. You can never have too much information about your opponents betting tendencies.

RivFader · #6 09-14-2007, 12:12 PM

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As played, I wouldn't c/r the turn -- frankly not sure if I would bet or c/c the river -- your hand might have more value as a bluff catcher.

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He won't the bluff river unless he's a real maniac because he's gonna have so little money to bet(pot something like 270, money behind 70)

C-bet flop, call a raise is the best line. If he just calls, c/r turn is good because he seems to be a floater. If you check the flop, c/r.
As played, definetely put it in on the turn.
You want to get it in if he's on a FD, when he still has hope to improve.

mertzo · #7 09-14-2007, 12:29 PM

Rivfader is spot on here.

Valerio · #8 09-14-2007, 12:37 PM

I agree strongly with betting the flop, but why would you call a raise? If you have a tight image, how can be value-betting a weaker hand or putting a move on you?

Stonewalled · #9 09-14-2007, 12:45 PM

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As played, I wouldn't c/r the turn -- frankly not sure if I would bet or c/c the river -- your hand might have more value as a bluff catcher.

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He won't the bluff river unless he's a real maniac because he's gonna have so little money to bet(pot something like 270, money behind 70)

C-bet flop, call a raise is the best line. If he just calls, c/r turn is good because he seems to be a floater. If you check the flop, c/r.
As played, definetely put it in on the turn.
You want to get it in if he's on a FD, when he still has hope to improve.

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Yeah, I guess after Villain raises turn, he has only about $60-70 left to bet in light of Hero's effective stack, so you're right there's no point in just calling the turn, may as well (as played) raise the turn AI.

RivFader · #10 09-14-2007, 12:53 PM

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I agree strongly with betting the flop, but why would you call a raise? If you have a tight image, how can be value-betting a weaker hand or putting a move on you?

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Folding AQ in re-raised pot when you get a dream flop would be horrible. 100 BBs you should put the money in everytime here. Villain is loose/agro to boot, he's pushing draws/worse made hands/making moves all the time. And really, he's not guaranteed to be thinking some wacky table image questions and it really doesn't matter here.