1.00-2.00......flush against unsuspected fullhouse

euroglot · #1 09-12-2007, 11:40 PM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 calls.

River: (13.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

Villain is a (very) loose passive passive fish.

Because he just called my flopraise I just thought he had a QQ. So I really thought I had the best hand on the turn....his call on the flop was really deceptive cause a typical loose passive passive would 3bet the flop I think.

Would you play this the same way?

When should I had slow down?

NotMitch · #2 09-12-2007, 11:56 PM

Flop is really bad, call and let others in. Call turn 3 bet and call river and against a passive player.

BigBadBabar · #3 09-12-2007, 11:56 PM

notmitch, lol

mikeca · #4 09-13-2007, 01:42 AM

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Would you play this the same way?

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No, I would not play it the same.

I would not raise on the flop. Raising a flush draw on the flop is sometimes a good idea when you have the nut flush draw and a number of people have already called one bet so they are likely to call another. Here, you don’t have a nut flush draw and you knocked everyone else out and got it heads up.

On the turn you made your flush, but the board paired. Most of the time you will be good here, but if you get a lot of action back, chances are they have the nut flush or a full house. Just call the 3-bet and call the river, hoping for some idiot with a lower flush or just trip queens.

Niediam · #5 09-13-2007, 05:10 AM

Preflop: good

Flop: I have no idea why you are raising here. You have little showdown value and you don't want to knockout people if you make your draw.

Turn: This is ok.

River: Scary that he leads. I probably still raise though and just call his 3bet.

HoneyBadger · #6 09-13-2007, 05:27 AM

Don't raise flop. Let people in, we have no reason to push anyone out.

Turn... you may cap, then call river. You could call his 3 bet. Turn 3 bets on a paired flush board are usually very strong hands. You don't have the nut flush, and he may have a boat. Then again I think a cap is reasonable.

River is plain spew. Call. Maybe raise if you didn't cap the turn, but after capping the turn on a paired 3-flush board he still bets into you don't raise. You usually gain 1 and lose 2 extra, so you're putting in 2 for 1.

(please don't post results, I'm trying not to look at them, but it's har with these titles)

Jantjebeton · #7 09-13-2007, 06:02 AM

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River: Scary that he leads. I probably still raise though and just call his 3bet.

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OP said villain was very loose passive. So raising the river is probably losing money here. I'm not even sure about capping the turn...

Niediam · #8 09-13-2007, 06:37 AM

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River: Scary that he leads. I probably still raise though and just call his 3bet.

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OP said villain was very loose passive. So raising the river is probably losing money here. I'm not even sure about capping the turn...

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Very good point. I missed that we had a read on villian.

James. · #9 09-13-2007, 08:41 AM

call the flop.

raise/cap the turn is okay but so is calling down a 3bet. ultimately depends on how passive the player is.

if he leads the river, call.

Ricks · #10 09-13-2007, 12:12 PM

A 3-bet on a big street from a passive is usually not good news. I would probably just call down from there but I don't think a cap is bad since you can't get raised. Anything more than just calling the river is most likely not justified.