JJ on flush draw flop

[ReidDeCardes]

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
10 players
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Table is 45/10/$5 Villian is MP1 with 24/7/5/7/174 hands

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, MP1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

I make what I see as standard re-raise. MP2 seems to play a lot but I had no PAHud #s.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (16.4SB, 5 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

I see the heart flush draw and the A but my plan was to bet, if raised I would call and see what the turn brought.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (10.7BB, 5 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.

No aggression on flop so I bet out. Was that stupid with 3 hearts?

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (14.7BB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">MP1 bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button folds.

I figure I am beat but the pot is huge and I call. I didn't see the point of raising because I figure only a worse hand will fold.

Results:
Final pot: 17.7BB

This table started good for me but it got very loose and aggressive in general and the money went down the drain. The other two tables I played ( only played 2 tables at a time ) were more straight ahead and I did better. Any advice on playing these types of tables?

[BigBadBabar]

check the turn intending to fold to a bet
fold the river you're never good here never ever

[CrMenace]

I don't think I overcall the river. You are beat by too many hands at this point -- any A, 6 or of course the flush has you beat at this point, and it's very easy to see an A being timid after your 3-bet and the 3rd heart on the turn. Also minor point, but you are not closing the action.

This is probably a pretty small mistake, though, getting 16:1. The rest of the hand looks good.

[Point Blank]

for me ... flop bet is meh

5 to the flop ... Ace high ... two toned ... and connection around 86

too many possible hands to call and some likelyhood that I'm not good

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then after betting the flop and getting called by every single player ... well - i think it's pretty pointless


on the river ... 'the pot is huge' ... well - that happened because of your betting in the first place

you have current odds of 16.7:1 ...
if this was the 1 time in 30 hands that your hand was actually best ...

[DBSpecial]

I think the multiple calls on the flop are ominous and the turn makes things worse.

I'm confused by MP1 waking up on the end; if he has a weak Ace why call down and suddenly decide to donk on the end? if he turned a flush why call the turn?
With no read, I'd guess he turned trips and was too scared of the flush to raise, but bet out when no-one else raised. With his decent stats, I have no idea what he's holding.

As for your play, I think you were beat on the flop and although the pot is big do you ever, ever win in this situation?

PS: I wish I could find a 45% VPIP table. All the Party nano tables seem to run at 30%.

[Absolution]

I give this one up on the turn. The flop bet is fine because you can get a feel for where you are even though that bet will never win this pot. If only a couple call then you can fire again, but not when they all call.

[Bigka79]

i think we c/f all the way down from the turn. i dont see any situations where our hand is good here i think we need to fold the river everytime here