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Old 09-10-2007, 02:15 PM
pifhluk pifhluk is offline
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Default $16 QJs Push? 100/200 a25

Its close in sngpt, if one villain is a 66+, at+, aj+ its a push, if one villain is loose its a fold. What do you think? no reads:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB (t2770)
BB (t1900)
UTG (t1825)
MP (t3830)
Hero (t3175)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to 3175 and is all in
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Old 09-10-2007, 02:19 PM
sence25 sence25 is offline
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Default Re: $16 QJs Push? 100/200 a25

no reads -> fold
i don't think the edge is big enough + if you don't have reads, you can assume they aren't very decent and won't call this tight
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Old 09-10-2007, 02:21 PM
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Default Re: $16 QJs Push? 100/200 a25

Raise to 500. It's not all push/fold late game. Fold to an SB push and probably call the BB push.
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Old 09-10-2007, 02:33 PM
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Default Re: $16 QJs Push? 100/200 a25

I fold this preflop.
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Old 09-10-2007, 02:51 PM
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Default Re: $16 QJs Push? 100/200 a25

Why would you push this preflop? I would probably raise to 500 if blinds were tight, fold otherwise.
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Old 09-10-2007, 03:47 PM
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Raise to 500. It's not all push/fold late game. Fold to an SB push and probably call the BB push.

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Old 09-10-2007, 03:51 PM
Jbrochu Jbrochu is offline
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Default Re: $16 QJs Push? 100/200 a25

You have way too many chips to push. Even if it is +$EV with the blinds on certain ranges that doesn't necessarily make it the best play.

[Edit to clarify I meant $EV]
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Old 09-10-2007, 04:03 PM
dipstikdave dipstikdave is offline
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Default Re: $16 QJs Push? 100/200 a25

i fold. too short to make a standard raise with this hand and too deep to push even if the blinds were tight enough.
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Old 09-10-2007, 04:09 PM
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Default Re: $16 QJs Push? 100/200 a25

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Why would you push this preflop? I would probably raise to 500 if blinds were tight, fold otherwise.

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Pushing JQs here is unexploitable and major +$EV. Folding is pretty much dominated by pushing, unless the Blinds are complete donks. Dont fold QJs here.

Raising smaller amounts may be an alternative. But 15BB deep, i dont think you give up much value (if any) by simply shoving.
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Old 09-10-2007, 05:11 PM
pifhluk pifhluk is offline
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Raise to 500. It's not all push/fold late game. Fold to an SB push and probably call the BB push.

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This seems like the best option, I think folding is terrible for those who suggested it.
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