$750K : M=11 : KQs re-raised all-in

[baltostar]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t2000/t4000
(Ante: t500)
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t123095
UTG+1: t193052
MP1: t26622
BALTOSTAR: t117782
MP3: t22521
CO: t108944
Button: t27791
SB: t86564
BB: t86960

Pre-flop: (9 players) BALTOSTAR is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">BALTOSTAR raises to t15000</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in t86064</font>, BB folds, BALTOSTAR

[Exitonly]

why'd you open to 15k??

i make it 11250 and fold to the shove.

[ASPoker8]

From the hands you've posted today you really need to work on preflop...

Open to like 10-12K

Then probably fold to shove

[baltostar]

What's wrong with 15K ?

[MaverickUSC]

What's wrong with 15k? It does the same job as 10-12k and when you get shoved on you save 3-5k.

Devo

[baltostar]

But are 10-12K and 15K really equivalent ? I think 15k significantly increases fold equity (because significantly reduces range of hands opponents will call with).

[nath]

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But are 10-12K and 15K really equivalent ? I think 15k significantly increases fold equity (because significantly reduces range of hands opponents will call with).

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If you think this, then isn't this hand, by logical extension, an instafold?

Also, if you think about what they're calling for 11K that they're folding for 15k, KQs doesn't exactly want to narrow their ranges to the latter

[betgo]

You are getting a little better than 3-2 pot odds, but I think this is a borderline. You raised large from fairly early position, so it looks like you have 77-QQ or AQ/AK and you aren't folding, based on conventional donk play. Villain pushed anyway, so there is a good chance he has TT+,AK.

You are ahead of pot odds against anything but a top 7% range, and sometimes villain could still be restealing or atleast not have a big hand, so this is close.

I don't agree with others that this is a clear fold or that the raise size was that bad. Since you have a close decision to a reraise, the raise size is probably not optimal here. Just because everyone raised small here doesn't make a large raise bad sometimes if you use it well.

[betgo]

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But are 10-12K and 15K really equivalent ? I think 15k significantly increases fold equity (because significantly reduces range of hands opponents will call with).

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If you think this, then isn't this hand, by logical extension, an instafold?

Also, if you think about what they're calling for 11K that they're folding for 15k, KQs doesn't exactly want to narrow their ranges to the latter

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If OP raises to 11K, then he would have an easy fold. Since he raised to 15K, he is getting 1.56-1 with a pretty strong hand. I don't know why this is an instant fold. Yes villain's range is stronger than if you made it 11K, but you pot odds are better. I really like a call here.

Since you turn an easy decision to a reraise into a hard decision, and you are probably more likely to be reraised than flat called, the raise size is bad here. However, if you had AK/JJ or ATo/JTs, then raising to 15K might be good, as you have an easy decision to a reraise.

[HatesLosing]

That sounds about right to me.