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Old 09-09-2007, 07:50 PM
criminaldave criminaldave is offline
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Default turn play with bottom set on a horrible board

UTG is some unknown and so far looks to be pretty bad. Button is 'mike_the_cat'. My initial impression of him was that he liked to reraise light and win pots through sheer aggression. However, we have now played about 1200 hands and he is solid. 18/15/ and seems to read hands pretty well.

His preflop raise is any pair, AK or some suited connectors. His call on the flop narrows his range somewhat. I think he raises a higher set because of the drawy nature of the board. So we're left with AA, KK, JT or some sort of diamond draw. On the turn I'm really not at all worried about UTG but the minraise with me still to act after i led out on the flop has me concerned. Is this the time for me to fold or JAM?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Hero ($222.20)
UTG ($75.80)
MP ($136.55)
CO ($224.25)
Button ($96.50)
SB ($113.95)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $4, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($15.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $9</font>, UTG calls $9, Button calls $9.

Turn: ($42.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $20</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $40</font>, Hero ???
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:56 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: turn play with bottom set on a horrible board

Your flop bet is too small. Bet/call the turn.
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:56 PM
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Default Re: turn play with bottom set on a horrible board

*grunch*

shove and get value from btn's entire raising range (two pair, tp) and UTG's draw. Btn doesn't only have JT here.
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Old 09-09-2007, 08:07 PM
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Default Re: turn play with bottom set on a horrible board

JT is a concern but against this guy I'm more worried about KK, especially after the call on the flop.

My problems always seem to be on the turn and I'm fed up spewing unnecessarily and missing value in spots like this.
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Old 09-09-2007, 08:37 PM
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Default Re: turn play with bottom set on a horrible board

out of curiosity: why did you check the turn after leading the flop?
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Old 09-09-2007, 08:42 PM
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Default Re: turn play with bottom set on a horrible board

based on your read of button i think i like c/r flop better (he's c-betting this like every time)

as played:
i like a $14 donk&gt;&gt;$6 donk&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;$9 donk
and lead turn for $25-30
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Old 09-09-2007, 08:48 PM
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Default Re: turn play with bottom set on a horrible board

What is horrible about this board? I go nuts here. Lots more combos of KQ than KK. Arr in please. Folding would be a crime.
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Old 09-09-2007, 08:59 PM
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Default Re: turn play with bottom set on a horrible board

i just really hate checking the turn because any call or raise by us makes our hand look stronger than it is.
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Old 09-10-2007, 01:35 AM
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Default Re: turn play with bottom set on a horrible board

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What is horrible about this board? I go nuts here. Lots more combos of KQ than KK. Arr in please. Folding would be a crime.

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i dont think hero's worried about KK here.
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Old 09-10-2007, 04:38 AM
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Default Re: turn play with bottom set on a horrible board

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What is horrible about this board? I go nuts here. Lots more combos of KQ than KK. Arr in please. Folding would be a crime.

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i dont think hero's worried about KK here.

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Well, then what is the problem? It's the only hand I would be worried about. That and a fluke JT off course. Anyways. Get it in.
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