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Old 09-08-2007, 09:47 PM
Tankado Tankado is offline
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Default JJ in SB on the bubble after minraise and call

Full Tilt Poker 45 Man SNG
Payouts 342/225/144/90/54/45
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t250/t500
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t4400
UTG+1: t11265
MP1: t19510
CO: t7070
Button: t8500
hero: t8400
BB: t8355

Pre-flop: (7 players) hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises to t1000</font>, CO calls t1000 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1750)</font>, Button folds.

What is the best Play here? Classic squeeze play? Setmining?
Calling with intention to push if I flop overpair or better?
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Old 09-08-2007, 09:55 PM
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Default Re: JJ in SB on the bubble after minraise and call

MP1 is 21/13/4 after 104 hands
CO is 29/2.31/3.13 after 130 hands
about 10 hands on final table, no crazy moves yet
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Old 09-08-2007, 09:59 PM
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Default Re: JJ in SB on the bubble after minraise and call

I think this depends. If I think these players suck, I go ahead and push and hope to get called by AQo or something.

If this is a decent size buyin, and I am fairly sure these are good players, I think a set mine is best, smooth call, and hope for a jack. I think I lead and fold on an unders board, since AA-QQ are very much still in their range if they are solid players.

JJ is a pretty big hand, and with only 20BB I dont think pushing pre is terrible, but if the big stack is a good player, and has constantly been making 3xbb steal raises, then out of nowhere makes a minraise, it has a real shot of being AA/KK. IF CO is a good player, any decent Ace he would push over the minraise, any pocket pair he isnt getting odds to set mine, so a flat call is a sign of some real strength if and only if he is a real good player. So now I have two guys that are flagging their hands as monsters, if they are good.

That said, if he (MP) always min raises when he raises, and if CO is likely to suck and is just making a bad call, yeah total squeeze time, push them jacks. Or flat call and push an unders board.

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Old 09-08-2007, 10:00 PM
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Default Re: JJ in SB on the bubble after minraise and call

had you seen him minraise before? any idea what it means from this guy? If I don't think he's doin this with a monster, I'm probably sticking it in here.
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Old 09-08-2007, 10:03 PM
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Default Re: JJ in SB on the bubble after minraise and call

thanks a lot, as it turned out CO was trapping w KK
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Old 09-08-2007, 10:13 PM
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had he standard raise before, and therefore announcing a monster to the table?
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Old 09-08-2007, 10:17 PM
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Default Re: JJ in SB on the bubble after minraise and call

The table played quite (weak?) tight, so I think the big stack (solid image) had kind of drawing hand or two high cards hoping to steal blinds/ playing drawing hand in pos against the blinds) or flop a monster. Small-middle PP being big part of his range. That said calling w KK is quite horrible with great reverse implied odds against this player.

Thats my thoughts because I would play it this way with this big stack on this particular table.
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Old 09-08-2007, 10:44 PM
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Default Re: JJ in SB on the bubble after minraise and call

Easy Push
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Old 09-09-2007, 01:55 AM
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Default Re: JJ in SB on the bubble after minraise and call

Even my 90-yr-old grandmother knows to shove here
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