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09-08-2007, 06:36 PM
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floor decision?
this happened at a private club playing PLO and i was wondering what would happen in a casiono. player A limp/rerasies all in. player B with much bigger stack calls. player C counts out the chips to call and looks at player B and says "check it down?". after B says yes player C calls. i was not in the hand but i spoke up and said you can't do that. player A said he didn't care. so i told them not to ever do that to me and then let the issue drop.
this seems to me to be collusion-cheating. right? what would a floor person do? would they kill anyones hand? thanks 
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#3
09-08-2007, 07:04 PM
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Re: floor decision?
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No they can do that i think. I remember doing it once in a casino and no one said anything. [/ QUOTE ] Ignorance is bliss. No, you cannot do this. It is a form of collusion.
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#4
09-08-2007, 07:05 PM
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Re: floor decision?
It's a pretty big deal to know your active opponent will check it down with another all-in, especially if you know this before you call. It's also very unfair to the all-in player. I'd send both check-it-down players on a 20 min time-out after a strong warning. Plus I'd kick them both in the nuts, of course.
Al
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#5
09-08-2007, 07:20 PM
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Re: floor decision?
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It's a pretty big deal to know your active opponent will check it down with another all-in, especially if you know this before you call. It's also very unfair to the all-in player. I'd send both check-it-down players on a 20 min time-out after a strong warning. Plus I'd kick them both in the nuts, of course. Al [/ QUOTE ] It's hard to penalize someone in a cash game since you are taking action away from the rest of the table. I'd rather that the floor come over and let the players know that what they did is wrong. If they do it again they might have to be licked out for the night. The situations that I dislike are when player A open-raises PF, player B re-raises, player C calls or pushes, player A folds, and before the flop player B and C agree to check it down. I've had players tell me it's fine since they are heads up and they never understand that the player(s) who decided to fold to their re-raise/calls had money in that pot. I've had to get floors over to explain the rules to them and I always get a "really? We didn't know that" response afterwards. I'm about 90% certain that there will be people here who think it's OK.
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#6
09-08-2007, 07:57 PM
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Re: floor decision?
playing a live 2/5nl game yesterday at a casino i was in a similar situation. I was player C facing the call.. and made it with 1010, b4 the flop player B asked if i wanted to check it down -- i was so tired at this point I said sure, he flips over QQ, player A says nothing, and dealer runs it .. .flops 10 high, and although i win the 400+ in the pot, both player B and I had over 800 stacks.. so i cost myself tons of money.. i will never check it down like that again -- esp. because I now see that it's not only unfair to player A, but illegal.
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#7
09-08-2007, 08:28 PM
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Re: floor decision?
Now that i think about it my situation might have been a little different. Player b might have raised in utg and i was in bb and last to act with no other callers. Now would it be wrong with only us in the hand to agree to check down.
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#9
09-08-2007, 10:09 PM
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Re: floor decision?
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It's hard to penalize someone in a cash game since you are taking action away from the rest of the table. I'd rather that the floor come over and let the players know that what they did is wrong. If they do it again they might have to be licked out for the night. [/ QUOTE ] I don't see any reason to reward collusion.
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#10
09-09-2007, 04:09 AM
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Re: floor decision?
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yes if you are HU do whatever you want so the floor would likely give a warning the first time. would the floor kill player B and C's hands if it happens again?? thanks [/ QUOTE ] Killing a hand is almost never correct. I like Rottersod's line on this one: explain to the players that doing this is wrong, and warn them that it won't be tolerated. If they do it again, no, you don't kill their hands. You tell them to finish the hand, cash in their chips, and GTFO.
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