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Old 09-08-2007, 02:30 PM
GoodOL GoodOL is offline
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Default Dealing with flop donkers

By flop donker, I mean a player who bets most flops, OOP, without initiative. For example:

You open raise with:
K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
and only the BB calls (as he always does). The flop comes:
Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
and the BB comes out betting (as he does most of the time). Options:

1. Fold: Given this player's tendencies, this seems too weak.
2. Call: Reasonable, but it will induce a turn donk as well. What is the plan for the turn?
3. Raise: Reasonable, to get to showdown cheaper...but it has spewing traits.

How do you guys handle this type of player?
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Old 09-08-2007, 06:39 PM
detruncate detruncate is offline
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Default Re: Dealing with flop donkers

In this hand I usually call and c/f the turn UI. I may or may not semibluff the turn if I pick up a draw.

As for your broader question... I call a lot of decent hands and raise the turn to help balance my peels. With a strong draw I sometimes raise the flop and then take a free turn if Villain won't 3-bet too often, or raise the flop and bet the turn as a semibluff, or raise the flop and barrel off. I sometimes raise the flop and bet the turn intending to take a free showdown UI if I have more strength. Or call the flop and raise the turn for a free showdown. And depending on the board and my opponent's tendencies, there are good made hands I'll just fast play, too.

So the answer is an utterly predictable "it depends". Sorry.
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Old 09-08-2007, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: Dealing with flop donkers

I would fold or call-fold UI against almost all opponents in the above example.
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