JJ hand against a relative unknown who *seems* to be tight?

[PleasureGuy69]

Only 15 hands on the guy and at that point, he was 18/0.

I don't know if I should have called that flop because it bloats the pot and makes it hard for me to play OOP. His turn weak was so weak that I didn't know what to do.

What's the play here?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $50.35
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $104.85
MP: $23.85
CO: $51.15
BTN: $30.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.50, MP folds, CO calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.00</font>, UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $5.50</font>, BTN folds, SB folds, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($12.50) (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $10.00</font>, Hero calls $10.00

Turn: ($32.50) (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $10.00</font>, Hero calls $10.00

River: ($52.50) (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $10.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $10.00 returned to CO

Pot Size: $52.50 ($2.60 Rake)

[toddxlogan]

Uh. Where to begin... Ok:

Preflop: Jacks are a horrid bitch to play, especially OOP, when you are not the aggressor PF. I 4-bet this to like 14, and fold to a shove. If he calls the 4-bet, I c-bet halfpot and am DONE after that. Leak? Maybe. Dunno.

Flop: As played, you have no choice but to call.

Turn: Decision time. If you are calling here, you MUST call river. I think its awful to call this turn and fold to a like 1/10pot riverbet.

Overall kind of a gross spot. Hands like these remind me why I 4-bet J's a lot PF, despite the fact that it hurts a lot to be forced to fold to a shove, and you feel pretty weird if he flat calls you.

[Rounder101]

Plz dont fold 6-1 odds on the river, you can fold PF, u can fold flop, turn, but the river!!??
Not sure what u beat other than a bluff or maybe 9s, TT, but if u have called all the way this is the easiest of all the other calls.

[MusashiStyle]

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PF. I 4-bet this to like 14, and fold to a shove.


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i agree, but it is still very hard to fold to that shove

[bored]

I can fold the flop here. This crap tiny raise from tight/bad players is so often KK+.

[Pussy Galore]

i'll let other's comment on the other streets but when it comes 2 the river please call 4 another dime.your getting 6 to 1

[yapee]

I think you can also call his minraise here for set value only, but the you should fold on a flop with no jack.

[Hail Eris]

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Preflop: Jacks are a horrid bitch to play, especially OOP, when you are not the aggressor PF. I 4-bet this to like 14, and fold to a shove.

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You're turning JJ into 22 doing this.

[Ricky_Bobby]

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Preflop: Jacks are a horrid bitch to play, especially OOP, when you are not the aggressor PF. I 4-bet this to like 14, and fold to a shove.

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You're turning JJ into 22 doing this.

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Not exactly, JJ still has some value when flat called, 22 does not.

Limp raising the CO? Does anybody limp RR with only the button left with AA/KK? Looks a lot more like AK/TT and lower to me.

JJ is much better against that range than 22.

[Hail Eris]

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Preflop: Jacks are a horrid bitch to play, especially OOP, when you are not the aggressor PF. I 4-bet this to like 14, and fold to a shove.

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You're turning JJ into 22 doing this.

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Not exactly, JJ still has some value when flat called, 22 does not.

Limp raising the CO? Does anybody limp RR with only the button left with AA/KK? Looks a lot more like AK/TT and lower to me.

JJ is much better against that range than 22.

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What worse hands are calling a 4bet here?

Obviously his range for doing this is wider than AA/KK, but he's only calling a 4bet with the top end that has JJ crushed.

I think 4betting JJ/QQ is terrible like 90% of the time except against regs and lags that you have 4betting history with, or complete droolers.