nl100:pot two

[nitramee]

Im am not sure apout this hand

pf.
Villan limps button(obv not a solid player)
sb calls
Hero A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] raises to 5

Button calls

Flop:q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]t [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero Bets 8, Button Calls

Turn:A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero bets 17??,villan shoves

stacks 100bb at start no other reads on villan

[orange]

grudingly call

[jlocdog]

I wouldn't grudge that much [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[keikiwai]

i don't see the point of a call... villain doesn't seem to be the type who would shove w AT or A2 and the OESD just hit

i like the turn bet, and i like a fold.... you have $70 behind right?

[thac]

Isn't this the type of guy to overvalue QT, A2, or (gasp) T2? I mean, he limped on the button, so he can have a lot of goofy hands and I doubt he's very solid. KJ is definitely a part of his range and so is 22, but if he has any two pair and thinks you c-bet way too often - he can figure you for having an ace and thinks he's getting you to make a bad call.

Maybe I'm way off here.

[keikiwai]

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Isn't this the type of guy to overvalue QT, A2, or (gasp) T2? I mean, he limped on the button, so he can have a lot of goofy hands and I doubt he's very solid. KJ is definitely a part of his range and so is 22, but if he has any two pair and thinks you c-bet way too often - he can figure you for having an ace and thinks he's getting you to make a bad call.

Maybe I'm way off here.

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if he's got a 2 pair, i think it has to have an ace in it

otherwise he would have either raised the flop or not raised the turn imo

[Daddy Warbucks]

Limp JK? I think 22 is much more likely, but i don't find a fold here.

[nitramee]

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Limp JK? I think 22 is much more likely, but i don't find a fold here.

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that was my excact line of thinking as played.

[gimmetheloot]

Keik i think a fold here is really just ridic weak and this is a snapcall vs a button-open-limping-retard.

[thac]

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Limp JK? I think 22 is much more likely, but i don't find a fold here.

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But who's to assume what a non-solid player, whom we have no reads on, will do? They're so erratic that there's really a wide range of hands he can have here.