Was this the correct fold?

F That · #1 09-04-2007, 08:53 PM

PokerStars Game #11875872147: Tournament #59855081, $25.00+$2.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/09/04 - 20:44:47 (ET)
Table '59855081 139' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: juvenia (2085 in chips)
Seat 2: grandslamsal (6375 in chips)
Seat 3: daytona955i (2935 in chips)
Seat 4: lynmac (3465 in chips)
Seat 5: SCORDS (2995 in chips)
Seat 6: jtsnyc47 (2765 in chips)
Seat 7: TheJaguar1 (5505 in chips)
Seat 8: ritchie1961 (8965 in chips)
Seat 9: Ryanphx (2250 in chips)
ritchie1961: posts small blind 25
Ryanphx: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheJaguar1 [Js Jd]
juvenia: folds
grandslamsal: folds
daytona955i: folds
lynmac: folds
SCORDS: raises 150 to 200
jtsnyc47: folds
TheJaguar1: calls 200
ritchie1961: folds
Ryanphx: folds
*** FLOP *** [3s 9h 4h]
SCORDS: bets 250
TheJaguar1: raises 400 to 650
SCORDS: raises 650 to 1300
ritchie1961 said, "sorry was away"
ritchie1961 said, "but yes, 10 km from pforzheim"
TheJaguar1: folds
SCORDS collected 1775 from pot
SCORDS: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1775 | Rake 0
Board [3s 9h 4h]
Seat 1: juvenia folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: grandslamsal folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: daytona955i folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: lynmac folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: SCORDS collected (1775)
Seat 6: jtsnyc47 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: TheJaguar1 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: ritchie1961 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Ryanphx (big blind) folded before Flop

no reads at the table but i was farely certain he had QQ, KK, or AA

erc007 · #2 09-05-2007, 04:03 AM

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PokerStars Game #11875872147: Tournament #59855081, $25.00+$2.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/09/04 - 20:44:47 (ET)
Table '59855081 139' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: juvenia (2085 in chips)
Seat 2: grandslamsal (6375 in chips)
Seat 3: daytona955i (2935 in chips)
Seat 4: lynmac (3465 in chips)
Seat 5: SCORDS (2995 in chips)
Seat 6: jtsnyc47 (2765 in chips)
Seat 7: TheJaguar1 (5505 in chips)
Seat 8: ritchie1961 (8965 in chips)
Seat 9: Ryanphx (2250 in chips)
ritchie1961: posts small blind 25
Ryanphx: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheJaguar1 [Js Jd]
juvenia: folds
grandslamsal: folds
daytona955i: folds
lynmac: folds
SCORDS: raises 150 to 200
jtsnyc47: folds
TheJaguar1: calls 200
ritchie1961: folds
Ryanphx: folds
*** FLOP *** [3s 9h 4h]
SCORDS: bets 250
TheJaguar1: raises 400 to 650
SCORDS: raises 650 to 1300
ritchie1961 said, "sorry was away"
ritchie1961 said, "but yes, 10 km from pforzheim"
TheJaguar1: folds
SCORDS collected 1775 from pot
SCORDS: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1775 | Rake 0
Board [3s 9h 4h]
Seat 1: juvenia folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: grandslamsal folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: daytona955i folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: lynmac folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: SCORDS collected (1775)
Seat 6: jtsnyc47 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: TheJaguar1 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: ritchie1961 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Ryanphx (big blind) folded before Flop

no reads at the table but i was farely certain he had QQ, KK, or AA

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I think that i might consider 3-betting preflop most of the time here, you are ahead of his range and there are a lot of hands that u would like the blinds to fold. I also don't mind calling here in position either.

When i first looked at the postflop action, i thought obv overpair, nothing else takes a line like this. The only part of the hand i don't like is your flop raise...it's too small. If u think that you are ahead and u would like to get the money in now...raise more - at least 750-1000. If he's leading weak w a draw, he's never folding for 400 more. Raising more here also widens your range and a hand like 88 might put u on a FD and get it in. As played i think folding is fine...and make a note to always play SC's against this guy's raises in the future b/c he won't protect his big hands.

levAA · #3 09-05-2007, 07:07 AM

Please use a converter:

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG (t2085)
UTG+1 (t6375)
MP1 (t2935)
MP2 (t3465)
MP3 (t2995)
CO (t2765)
Hero (t5505)
SB (t8965)
BB (t2250)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 raises to t200, 1 fold, Hero calls t200, 2 folds.

Flop: (t475) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 bets t250, Hero raises to t650, MP3 raises to t1300, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1775

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I think this is a terrible fold.

You get pot odds of 1:5! and hold an overpair to the board.

A call commits you to the pot - so push.

Tackleberry · #4 09-05-2007, 08:42 AM

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I think this is a terrible fold.

You get pot odds of 1:5! and hold an overpair to the board.

A call commits you to the pot - so push.

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That is not quite correct. If Hero pushes (which he obviously had to do) and Villain calls, the overall pot odds are slightly 2.6:1. Hero has no real chances anymore to improve his hand (2 outs) but has to be ahead more than about 30%. What should Villain raise preflop, c-bet and 3-bet the flop here what Hero beats? AK maybe (more likely A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]), AQ, A9 are unlikely, TT could be. These are not many hands/chances. QQ, KK, AA indeed are very probable here. That are 18 possibilities for overpairs, but only 6 for TT and some (discounted) additional possibilities for overcards which may even draw to the flush. No great deal. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

And notice one further sign: Villain did essentially commit himself to the pot without pushing!! This screams for a call imho. What speaks against (at least unsuited) overcards as well ...