What is your point of "committedment" on the flop?

[sirio11]

Suppose you have a hand like A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and raise on MP to 3x. You have a caller on the button with about the same stack as you (and you know nothing about him). The flop are 3 rags, what's your point of commitedment, this is the size of your stack left (pot is around 8x) such that you're going all in (or bet-calling all in, or check-raising all in) in and not giving up the pot by checking the flop.

If you want to make comments about your decision based on the texture of the rags, go ahead.

[shaundeeb]

I used to think it was around 1.5 to 1 PSB effective but people are a lot tighter calling short stacks raises. And their calling range is soo highly pairs that they are never folding. I think in a lot of cases it's better to check/call then open shove because people aren't folding 77 on a 964 flop. But they will fold AQ

[NoahSD]

Yeah, like shaun hinted, with some extremely short stacks like 15 BBs, I'd be pretty likely to c/f. Whereas with like 25ish BBs I'd be more likely to c/r or even b/3-bet against some players.