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Old 09-02-2007, 05:42 PM
SilentNoise SilentNoise is offline
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Default taking a non-standard line with QQ preflop gets confusing

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $574.05
BB: $388.00
UTG: $406.00
MP: $457.95
Hero (CO): $506.50
BTN: $374.35

Reads: <font color="blue">initial raiser is Murph0511 , good multitabling tag. played with him a fair amount at 100nl/200nl...we used to get into alot of 3bet/4bet wars. he runs at like 26/22 over a big sample.

squeezer is BTN , a 26/21 over decent sample...somebody who i have played alot with at 200nl aswell.

i have only been at the table for about 30 hands, and haven't done anything special, just picked up a few small pots. Im not sure if they've noticed but over like 30 hands i was running at 13/10! (i norally run at 22/18 or 25/20 more recently).

i haven't squeezed at all, haven't 3bet at all.</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $16.00</font>, Hero calls $16.00, <font color="red">BTN raises to $64.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">MP raises all-in to $457.95</font> Hero??

Since ive been playing pretty straightforward on the table so far, I'm pretty sure that murph is never worried about me when hes 4betting with junk. He is probably expecting me to 3bet him with strong hands given our history together.

I think this is a good spot for Shiv to squeeze as murph has a pretty wide range, ive almost never got a monster when i flat call with QQ. Im sure murph knows this and will 4bet with ATLEAST TT+, A6s+(im pretty sure hes open raising all suited aces, and im mnot including A5 or less as a way of saying he doesn't 4bet all the time with Axs).

Given that this is such a good spot for Shiv to squeeze should i really be worried about him having a premium hand behind me? Also ...if i call with QQ here...that must look REALLY scary to him, and he will probably fold AK, or maybe even QQ?

Obviously not 3betting preflop isn't my normal line, so i hardly ever get into spots like this. So knowing what people show up with in these spots is pretty hard since im never around to see it happen and learn from experience.
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Old 09-02-2007, 05:45 PM
Unknown Soldier Unknown Soldier is offline
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Default Re: taking a non-standard line with QQ preflop gets confusing

call

JJ is probably a fold, have to mess around with stove

mps shoving reasonably light here
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Old 09-02-2007, 05:47 PM
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Default Re: taking a non-standard line with QQ preflop gets confusing

what's so confusing about a snap call

BTN is raising here with like every hand ever, MP is shoving with AK for sure like any good tagfish.
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Old 09-02-2007, 05:47 PM
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Default Re: taking a non-standard line with QQ preflop gets confusing

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what's so confusing about a snap call

BTN is raising here with like every hand ever, MP is shoving with AK for sure like any good tagfish.

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Old 09-02-2007, 05:57 PM
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Default Re: taking a non-standard line with QQ preflop gets confusing

yea i called faster than ive ever called before.
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Old 09-02-2007, 06:04 PM
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Default Re: taking a non-standard line with QQ preflop gets confusing

yeah I would call here
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Old 09-02-2007, 06:09 PM
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Default Re: taking a non-standard line with QQ preflop gets confusing

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what's so confusing about a snap call

BTN is raising here with like every hand ever, MP is shoving with AK for sure like any good tagfish.

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are you implying that a push here with AK is bad somehow?
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Old 09-02-2007, 09:46 PM
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Default Re: taking a non-standard line with QQ preflop gets confusing

As played, QQ is a really easy call IMO. If someone else has KK or AA, pay it off and move on and race against AK. Anything else you're way happy to get it in against. I'll reveal my hand here when everyone's said their peace on play from your perspective, as I'd really like some input on this hand from my side as well...

-Murph
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Old 09-02-2007, 09:52 PM
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Default Re: taking a non-standard line with QQ preflop gets confusing

Yeah this is a really easy call, and if I'm MP I'm shoving a lot of stuff depending on my mood and the flow of the game. If I think I'm getting squeezed I might shove any pair, any ace, etc. I would call JJ as well, fwiw.
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Old 09-02-2007, 10:02 PM
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Default Re: taking a non-standard line with QQ preflop gets confusing

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