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Old 09-02-2007, 12:17 PM
Traumfabrik Traumfabrik is offline
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Default 400 bet , 3bet push with A high flushdraw ?

No reads on the villian , Is this always a a 3 bet or push assuming he is a tag solid player?
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $419.50
BB: $589.15
UTG: $116.00
CO: $427.00
BTN: $1,320.30

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12.00</font>, BB calls $8.00

Flop: ($24) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $15.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $52.00</font>, Hero calls $37.00

Turn: ($128) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $80.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $80.00 returned to BB

Pot Size: $128.00 ($3 Rake)
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Old 09-02-2007, 12:33 PM
whiffer1983 whiffer1983 is offline
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Default Re: 400 bet , 3bet push with A high flushdraw ?

i really don['t like calling oop with this board and your hand cause another spade is gonna hurt your action and any other card your c/f so i like a push or fold , depends upon image and his play and [censored]
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Old 09-02-2007, 01:49 PM
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Default Re: 400 bet , 3bet push with A high flushdraw ?

Just call the flop. As played folding turn is good.
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Old 09-02-2007, 02:06 PM
w33ktight w33ktight is offline
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Default Re: 400 bet , 3bet push with A high flushdraw ?

Fold the flop. You are oop, and are you really getting paid if another spade comes?

Also, bet more on such a draw heavy board.
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Old 09-02-2007, 02:07 PM
danjohncochane danjohncochane is offline
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Default Re: 400 bet , 3bet push with A high flushdraw ?

He did just call the flop. But yeah i normally fold in these situations unless i know there's fold equity involved.
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Old 09-02-2007, 02:28 PM
JemY JemY is offline
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Default Re: 400 bet , 3bet push with A high flushdraw ?

Here comes some math.
Assuming you have 25% equity, let's see what FE we need to make the push correct.
208*x + (1-x)(0.25*483-0.75*355)&gt;0
208x + 145.5x - 145.5 &gt;0
353x - 145.5&gt;0
x&gt; 41%
Of course he's not folding a flopped flush (maybe 10-15% of the time) or trips (99 77 15% of the time), now it's up to you to know whether he's going to stack off with two pair here or KQ/QJ/QT... I think pushing is good here as I don't see villain calling more than one time in three.
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Old 09-02-2007, 03:06 PM
Traumfabrik Traumfabrik is offline
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Default Re: 400 bet , 3bet push with A high flushdraw ?

thank you really helpful !
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Old 09-02-2007, 04:26 PM
Hattifnatt Hattifnatt is offline
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Default Re: 400 bet , 3bet push with A high flushdraw ?

I just fold the flop here most of the time, and calling is better (less bad) than shoving.
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