Must call down?

ewile · #1 09-02-2007, 03:09 AM

Villain is 32/9/1.5 over 81 hands

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
7 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (10SB, 3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, CO folds.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (10BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 12BB

Buzz-cp · #2 09-02-2007, 03:17 AM

yeah it's a pretty coordinated board, but you will see 88, JJ, AQ often enough. fwiw, I don't think there is enough room to 3-bet the turn.

Buzz

MrWookie · #3 09-02-2007, 03:35 AM

The interesting decision is between 3betting and calling the turn, not between calling and folding the turn. Folding the turn is never an option before the river, even if he shows you a flush.

kerowo · #4 09-02-2007, 04:09 AM

Yea, I agree with Wook here. I don't think he is raising pre-flop with something big and suited and not raising you on this flop. I could see KQ, AQ playing this way, with or without a heart. Hell, he could be getting fancy with JJ. I don't think I'm folding this river very often.

neurotiq · #5 09-02-2007, 04:26 AM

I play it the same way you do. The turn raise could signal a flush, but it could also signal a flopped set. I view it as wa/wb and just call down.

Niediam · #6 09-02-2007, 05:33 AM

I'm 3betting the turn.

I expect to see AQ, JJ, A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K, QJ type hands more often than a made flush. If villian did hold two big hearts there is a good chance he would have raised on the flop and there are many more combinations of potential non-flush raising hands on the turn than flush hands for a EP raiser even when 7 handed.

Fantam · #7 09-02-2007, 07:29 AM

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I'm 3betting the turn.

I expect to see AQ, JJ, A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K, QJ type hands more often than a made flush. If villian did hold two big hearts there is a good chance he would have raised on the flop and there are many more combinations of potential non-flush raising hands on the turn than flush hands for a EP raiser even when 7 handed.

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I am relieved to see this. My first thoughts were to 3-bet the turn and call down if capped.

NIX · #8 09-02-2007, 10:57 AM

3-bet the turn, don't fold. The only hands I'd be worried about are AK[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and AT[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and that's only two combos. Many more of JJ/88/AQ.

ewile · #9 09-02-2007, 11:15 AM

Thanks guys, I appreciate the feedback.

bozlax · #10 09-02-2007, 12:08 PM

3-bet turn, call a cap. Given this guy's stat's, he's holding QJs (3 combos) more than Axs/Kxs (since x can ONLY equal T). Throw in a combo of AhQc and you're ahead 2:1 of an incredibly narrow range. Add in the rest of AQ/QJo, slow-played JJ, and crazy-assed AJ/Ahx hands, and you're killing him.

And, if you are behind, you've got 10 outs to a FH/quads.

Edit: sorry for the repeats...trying to get back into the swing.