JJ - scary turn bet

Miyaguchi · #1 08-31-2007, 04:48 PM

Reads: MP2 is 29.88/9.15/1.09 after 164 hands, MP3 is a new player

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.15/$0.3
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
4 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (10.67SB, 3 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6.83BB, 3 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (12.83BB, 3 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, MP2 folds.

Results:
Final pot: 14.83BB

I'm not sure about my decision in the turn.

Xylocain · #2 08-31-2007, 04:51 PM

Turn raise is spew. Folding cant be a huge mistake.

JohnMo · #3 08-31-2007, 05:00 PM

Fold to turn donk and curse silently.

neurotiq · #4 08-31-2007, 05:01 PM

I'd probably call down when MP3 wakes up after the turn. I don't like the raise because we don't know if our JJ is still the best hand after MP3 bets the king...

NIX · #5 08-31-2007, 05:05 PM

I don't raise second pair versus an unknown on the turn that often. Since you have about proper odds to call with a 5 outer, I just call the turn.

slothinator · #6 08-31-2007, 06:40 PM

I count 10 outs. 4 Q's, 4 8's, and the 2 J's. Or are you discounting the outs because it could improve villian's hand also?

Xylocain · #7 08-31-2007, 06:45 PM

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I count 10 outs. 4 Q's, 4 8's, and the 2 J's. Or are you discounting the outs because it could improve villian's hand also?

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The 8 outs is a pretty liberal way of counting IMHO

slothinator · #8 08-31-2007, 06:48 PM

That's why I'm asking. I am never sure how much to discount my outs in these situations. I know that any one of those 10 outs gives me a straight or 3 of a kind, but it could give villian a better hand. I'm just wondering why we are calling it 5 outs. Discounting to half I guess?

Xylocain · #9 08-31-2007, 06:52 PM

The 8s dont give you a straight... I think 5 outs is for the off chance we turn Q and get a split and when we spike a J and someone has the Q.

4+2-1 amIrite?

slothinator · #10 08-31-2007, 06:54 PM

There is a 7, a 9, and a T on the board; we hold JJ. I'm pretty sure an 8 gives us a straight.