KK on not safestest board deepish 5/10

[ahnuld]

Villan is 24/17 reg, who plays ok. Normal amount of aggression and history seen between us. I have done this move with crap before and AK and obviously other hands like KK,QQ sometimes JJ. This flop really isnt good. I mean, im ahead of Ak and JJ and TT is possible I guess but im pretty sure he range is JJ+ AK. Check or bet flop?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($1498)
UTG ($1199.75)
MP ($2904.02)
Button ($95.75)
SB ($1606.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $35</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $140</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $400</font>, MP folds, SB calls $260.

Flop: ($835) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks.

Final Pot: $835

[catcher193]

fairly easy B/C for me

[Slider]

You could possibly say the same thing about a J high flop (well now I'm only ahead of QQ really).

What about an overbet shove?

[ahnuld]

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You could possibly say the same thing about a J high flop (well now I'm only ahead of QQ really).

What about an overbet shove?

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wtf, JJ is much less likely to call pre. Not the same at all. And it doesnt change matters. I neevr said I was terrified of being behind, I just said I want to maximize ev and that doesnt always mean betting

[catcher193]

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What about an overbet shove?

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I want to rep air (Cbetting a light preflop 4 bet) as much as possible, I also want him to think he has as much FE as possible,

for these reasons as well as the stack/pot ratio and "kinda?" wet board, I'd bet ~50%-60% pot with almost my entire range here.


I think checking narrows your range to AK and KK (heavily weighted towads KK), unless you tell us you have unstandard history in this spot.

edit- misread "effective" stacksize.

[tozzy]

i assume hes betting his range when checked to? if so, c/rai

[ahnuld]

if im cbetting its like 350, anything over that and the illusion of FE disappears completely. JJ is more likely to shove if I do that than if I shove myself imo

[tozzy]

oh and btw, dont post results.

[ahnuld]

I didnt (I know it says final pot but it always says that for the converter if I stop there) and you [censored] up position rendering your post and your attempt at a clever quip impotent and useless

[Slider]

So you'd bet like 560 and leave yourself with around 640. I just think that's weird. He's not going to think he has any fold equity when he shoves giving you like &gt;4:1.

I know it goes against meta game etc.. and what you do with other hands, but what about weird betting like 200$. Sometimes [censored] that confuses people will get them to do dumb stuff.

However, for the sake of the hand - assuming his range is AQs, AA, KK, QQ, JJ I probably bet call 1/2 pot.

Ahnuld, do you think he's more likely to fold JJ here preflop or what given your dynamics.