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Old 08-28-2007, 09:18 PM
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Default 2nd pair against 2 LAG\'s facing 2 bets

FTP 5/10 6 handed
BB and CO are LAG with both having 50/20/1.5 type stats over a significant sample

Hero has 8s 8d UTG

Hero raises, CO 3bets, BB calls, Hero calls

9 sb: 5h 3c 9h

BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, BB raises
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:02 PM
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Default Re: 2nd pair against 2 LAG\'s facing 2 bets

I'll assume that "BB" was the button and cold called 3bets because you acted first on the flop? Or maybe he was BB and checked the flop in front of you? Doesn't really matter actually I still play the same either way.

I'm definitely not folding this here, unless others can convince me otherwise. If you think that CO will fold overs for 2 more bets on the flop, I 3bet right now. If not, I cold call and raise BB on any turn < T.

BB can definitely have a 9, but I think he will have a small PP a lot and maybe a flush draw enough of the time. If CO puts it any more raises I'm folding the turn UI.
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:04 PM
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Default Re: 2nd pair against 2 LAG\'s facing 2 bets

oops, too late to edit - bb check raised the flop
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:05 PM
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Default Re: 2nd pair against 2 LAG\'s facing 2 bets

you're kinda stuck in the gate here. this isn't a terrible flop for your hand, i would have led out...
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:06 PM
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Default Re: 2nd pair against 2 LAG\'s facing 2 bets

yea, leading out is better between LAG's with a marginal hand like this..
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:07 PM
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Default Re: 2nd pair against 2 LAG\'s facing 2 bets

i don't know if that's sarcasm, but if it is, just fold and be done with it...
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:18 PM
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Default Re: 2nd pair against 2 LAG\'s facing 2 bets

y would it be sarcasm? leading gives CO a chance to raise with his overcards. But if you don't mind 3betting or think a fold is safe than checking is better.

I didn't like doing it it but I 3bet.
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:22 PM
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Default Re: 2nd pair against 2 LAG\'s facing 2 bets

Against the raise everything brigade I play this hand to the death.
I am starting to love these situations against LAGs and I am of the opinion that they are my biggest earners.
I love this flop and a 3 bet is AK, AQ and AJ preflop a lot of the time, meaning your hand is good and I'm not woorying about that 9.

Make them pay for that draw. One such idiot 3 bet me with t6s in my last session and hit 2 pair on the river having dogged bottom pair vs my KK. I also took down a $150 pot with 88 with 3 players in a capped pot.That's how these guys play, they just pound the pot for fun and you guys are wondering weather or not to fold.
I beat them over the head with more raises!
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:24 PM
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Default Re: 2nd pair against 2 LAG\'s facing 2 bets

i'm sorry. i misunderstood your comment and didn't mean to be rude.

another option is calling 2 and leading the turn, but this is tough either way...
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:24 PM
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Default Re: 2nd pair against 2 LAG\'s facing 2 bets

I think you can find better spots to punish these guys
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