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08-27-2007, 08:07 AM
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flop capped, turn check check
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Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $0.50/$1 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $38.99 hero: $55.43 CO: $66.31 Button: $26.90 SB: $30.04 BB: $52.34 Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero caps</font>, Button calls. Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9.5SB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button caps</font>, hero calls. Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8.75BB, 2 players) hero checks, Button checks. River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8.75BB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, hero calls. Results: Final pot: 12.75BB <font color="#ffffff">Button shows 5d 4d</font> I have 2 questions here : 1) In position I would have called his flop raise and call or raised a turn bet. My problem was that, out of position, I didn't want to risk a check/check on the turn and I wanted to keep the initiative. Maybe a call and a turn donk was better ? Or just a call and a check on the turn ? 2) my river bet. His check on the turn was really strange, especially because he had position, and could not fear a check behind. A check was better ? TWTWP, can I find a fold here ? 
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#2
08-27-2007, 08:12 AM
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Re: flop capped, turn check check
This seems to be the nuts pretty much always, I always convince myself that it's a missed draw or some other weird crap and call though.
1) I OOP you have to 3-bet the flop, in position I'd probably mix it up a bit. 2) I usually check this river after his weird flop-turn play. I can't fold to the river raise.
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#3
08-27-2007, 08:21 AM
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Re: flop capped, turn check check
Good river bet. Make him pay to showdown his QQ. That he checked behind such a monster is just stupidity on his part. Unless he is really convinced you would only play aces or jacks this way, and try to trap him for a c/r, but in that case his river raise is retarded. So either way his play was stupid, and you simply lost what you would've lost had he just bet. I would just b/c the river and not worry too much about it. His play suggests a weak hand that wants a cheaper showdown, possibly in combination with a draw.
I don't really like the flop 3-bet, but I don't see many good alternatives... Well, you could call, and check/call the turn and bet/call the river. So I think the hand was fine overall.
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#4
08-27-2007, 08:25 AM
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Re: flop capped, turn check check
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks the flop is overplayed.
I would just call his flop raise and play WA/WB. If you suspect he is on a free card play you can donk the turn, you dont have to 3-bet the flop to prevent that play. I call the river and say to myself that it would have cost me the same had he bet the turn and river with his monster. Setup, next hand.
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#6
08-27-2007, 04:12 PM
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Re: flop capped, turn check check
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Flop 3ball seems insanely easy there. As others have stated, villian plays bad. [/ QUOTE ]
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#9
08-29-2007, 09:18 AM
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Re: flop capped, turn check check
I would bet the turn. I think you are overvalueing his flop cap. As others have mentioned it could be for a free card, or just with an A because he plays bad. Also the turn card put you ahead of AJ.
As played I would call the river. His raise is so weird that it has to be some kind of stupid bluff once in a while.
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