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Old 08-27-2007, 03:33 AM
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Default AK large capped pot line check

SB is 31/20
CO 50/20
BT is 65/5/.7

6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises</font>, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero caps</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (16SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero...

On one hand, I feel like this is a fold because they're going to raise behind me a lot and I could get trapped in the pot for a bunch of bets. On the other hand, there's a ton of bets in the pot already and if I hit the GS or make a flush they'll probably all pay off and may even go off with worse hands for multiple BB.
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:43 AM
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Default Re: AK large capped pot line check

I know what you mean about the multiple bets, and it's scary. What I usually do in this situation is call, and if it's raised and then three-bet back to me, I fold. Odds-wise, I'm not sure if this is correct, though.

Folding seems weak in this situation, and I don't mind having to call a bettor and one raiser on this flop. I don't want to get caught in the middle of a capping battle, though, both for odds reasons, and because it probably means that a lot of my outs are tainted, which is why I wouldn't cold-call a three-bet after my initial call.
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:06 AM
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Default Re: AK large capped pot line check

Bad spot. However, even if we forget you king outs and heavily discount your ace outs, you must call here and call if it comes back 3-bet. Even if you knew the flop would cost you two small bets, you must call b/c of your gutshot + implied odds in this large multiway pot.
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:16 AM
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What I usually do in this situation is call, and if it's raised and then three-bet back to me, I fold. Odds-wise, I'm not sure if this is correct, though.

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I vote incorrect. If we are 3-bet, we will be getting odds that are very close to correct on our gutshot alone. These are mitigated by the non-nut Qc, the possibility of a cap, and redraws from sets. However, these are countered by our implied odds (another K pays us off big, plus the big pot forces many hands to pay off our obvious straight), our back door flush draw, and our (very weak) ace outs. I think folding to a 3-bet is bad. (However, if we're fairly sure we'll be three-bet, fold when UTG donks).
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:18 AM
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Uh, did your converter miscount the pot or is the rake insane?

4SB x 4 players = 16 SB
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:28 AM
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Uh, did your converter miscount the pot or is the rake insane?

4SB x 4 players = 16 SB

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yeah fixed.
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:42 AM
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Default Re: AK large capped pot line check

i call
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:46 AM
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Say the flop gets capped and everyone is still in. SB capped it. Turn is a low blank. Do you call SB's turn lead getting 16 to 1 again?
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:51 AM
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Say the flop gets capped and everyone is still in. SB capped it. Turn is a low blank. Do you call SB's turn lead getting 16 to 1 again?

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I surely do.
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