Holdem player trying PLO QQ vs 888 board 50NL

SmackinYaUp · #1 08-26-2007, 05:26 PM

Hello everyone,

I'm probably thinking too much like a holdem player in this but I didn't put the guy on an 8 or AA/KK. I raised preflop here because I had a decent hand in position and I thought it would be easy to play postflop. The turn...well I have no excuses for that - I just changed my mind and decided to play it aggressive instead of passive. I'm not sure what I'm asking here, but I guess some general feedback of how I should have played the hand, what kind of hands we expect to see the villain with here, and what I should have been thinking during the hand.

saw flop|saw showdown

Button (Villain)/ ($31.70)
SB ($30.05)
BB ($23)
Hero ($57.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
BB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, Button(Villain) calls $2, SB (poster) calls $1.50, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($8) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Villain checks.

Turn: ($8) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $1.5, Hero calls $1.50, Villain raises to $3, SB folds, BB folds, Hero raises to $18.5, Villain calls $15.50.

River: ($46.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $20, Villain calls $11.20 (All-In).

Final Pot: $68.90

Results in white below: 
Villain has 8c Qs 7d Ad (four of a kind, eights).
Hero has 5d 5s Qh Qd (full house, eights full of queens).
Outcome: Villain wins $68.90. Hero wins $8.80. 

Next hand...I figured there were other hands he would be playing like this considering his pfr. So I waited for a safe turn and shoved. Sorry the converter died on me like it always does.

Hand #45640216-6335 at Hudson (Pot Limit Omaha)
Started at 26/Aug/07 17:04:19

Arcadia14 is at seat 0 with $59.60.
mmh77 is at seat 1 with $57.85.
dmxice2000 is at seat 2 with $0 (sitting out).
Villain is at seat 3 with $47.30.
SmackinYaUp is at seat 5 with $48.50.
The button is at seat 2.

Villain posts the small blind of $.25.
SmackinYaUp posts the big blind of $.50.

Arcadia14: -- -- -- --
mmh77: -- -- -- --
Villain: -- -- -- --
SmackinYaUp: Js 8h Jc 4h

Pre-flop:

Arcadia14 calls. mmh77 calls. Villain raises
to $2.25. SmackinYaUp calls. Arcadia14 calls.
mmh77 calls.

Flop (board: 7s 5c 6c):

Villain bets $5. SmackinYaUp calls.
Arcadia14 folds. mmh77 folds.

Turn (board: 7s 5c 6c Ad):

Villainbets $19. SmackinYaUp goes all-in for
$41.25. Villain goes all-in for $40.05.
SmackinYaUp is returned $1.20 (uncalled).

River (board: 7s 5c 6c Ad 7h):

(no action in this round)

Showdown:

SmackinYaUp shows Js 8h Jc 4h.
SmackinYaUp has 8h 4h 7s 5c 6c: straight, eight high.
Villain shows Qs 9h 9s 8c.
Villain has 9h 8c 7s 5c 6c: straight, nine high.

Hand #45640216-6335 Summary:

$2 is raked from a pot of $99.10.
Villain wins $97.10 with straight, nine high.

RoundTower · #2 08-26-2007, 05:32 PM

hand 1 is a total spew on the turn, he has 8x, maybe AA or KK, or a bluff, and most likely it's 8x. I call the $1.50 and maybe the minraise, no more.

Hand 2 it's possible he is aggro enough to barrel away with lots of hands other than 89 here. In general you are going to get shown the nuts a lot though.

SmackinYaUp · #3 08-26-2007, 05:42 PM

Ok cool, thanks for the reply.

Another question - Does the Ace on the turn make my hand look any better vs his range?

chucky · #4 08-26-2007, 05:43 PM

hand 1. The miniraise from villian on turn is a signal stop putting chips in the pot. call and c/f further action. hand 2 calling flop is ok, but at this level when someone fires two barrels in a row they have the nuts pretty often.

RoundTower · #5 08-26-2007, 06:02 PM

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Ok cool, thanks for the reply.

Another question - Does the Ace on the turn make my hand look any better vs his range?

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well, yes. It's a lot better card for you than the 7 of clubs, for example.

If you mean because he could have just AA or maybe AA + some other draw and is only firing again because he hit the ace, then I suppose it's better for you than say the Kd. It rubs both ways though: if he had the nut flush draw and would have fired again with it anyway, there's a good chance he now has aces up or three aces and has very good equity against your hand.