4/180 - JJ Very early, Qxx Flop

[ZenMusician]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP1 (t1500)
Zen (t1570)
MP3 (t1470)
CO (t1470)
Button (t1500)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1530)
UTG (t1480)
UTG+1 (t1500)

Preflop: Zen is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Zen raises to t75</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t75, SB calls t65, BB calls t55.

Flop: (t300) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Zen bets t120</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t285</font>, BB folds, Zen folds.

Final Pot: t705


Like the 2nd or 3rd hand of tourney.
Atrocious standard line or fold everytime?

Bet sizing critique welcome as well...ty

-ZEN

[Butcho22]

Raise to 99 preflop IMO.

[BlueEcho]

pf is fine though it's an odd amount.

If you're going to c-bet this flop I don't think 120 is enough, 200 is better.

As played your bet seems weak and you got c/red. This could be anything from a badly played 2 pair or a set to a flush draw or just a simple Q. It could possibly be air as well. The pot is offering 4.4-1 but what cards help us? Really only a J makes us happy and the Js completes the flush. I hate folding but a c/r is usually strong so a fold is not horrible.

If you do call and he bets the turn I think you have to fold unless it's a J. You aren't getting the odds to call the flop and hope for a J on the turn. However, if he checks the turn to you then you have a clear check behind and call a river bet.

[J.A.K.]

Does anyone check the flop?

[usha]

I also think you should bet more on flop, 200 is fine.
I would probably call as played, because we have position and getting fine odds, and see what happens on turn, tough you should fold if he bets again.

[usha]

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Does anyone check the flop?


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I think its bad, because if someone bets at us, we have no idea where we are. Plus, you may be giving a free card, and there are like 2134720723 cards that we don't want to see on turn (any spade, any K or A).

[BlueEcho]

I think I would check flop. Checking allows worse hands to bet into us. Plus I don't like being chech raised and there is still someone to act.

[DerrtySlime]

against 3 opponents, our situation is not very good. bet/fold ( and to 120 i like) or check , and play the hand from there is the best. no point in continuing this early.

[Butcho22]

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against 3 opponents, our situation is not very good.

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Raise to 99 preflop IMO.


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[ssnyc]

bet more pre...on stars you can bet 100/120 and get 3 callers easy..you can buld a nice pot and push hard on a favorable flop with a nice pot to go after...as played I call and see a turn...check call if price is reasonable...