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Old 08-24-2007, 10:24 AM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
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Default Bad river card?

Preflop may be a little loose for some of you, but given that I did call, is there enough room on the river for a value bet?

Villain is a relatively unknown player, but he is known to be aggressive (which is why I took a flop against him).

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
CO folds, Button calls, <font color="#FF0000">SB raises</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (6.00 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, SB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero...
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:06 AM
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Default Re: Bad river card?

I don't think he calls with anything you beat and only might fold a better king (might!!!) I check it through.

EDITED TO ADD: After another look, there are no better Kings. All the more reason to check thru IMO.
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:08 AM
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Default Re: Bad river card?

Wouldn't SB call Ax, Kx or a big pocket? I don't see any reason not to bet the river.

EDIT: Oops, missed the board pairing on the river. Since villain is loose aggressive, though, I think there is a good chance he would call with a bare K.
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Old 08-24-2007, 12:54 PM
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Default Re: Bad river card?

I missed a couple of things here also. I still think I would check this through but a bet may indeed be better. I'm just not sure. The ace is a concern but I doubt villain raises with Ax. So not a huge problem.
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:12 PM
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Default Re: Bad river card?

*g*

I say bet. Basically it's 50-50. If has has an ace you lose, if he has a king you win (if he had AK an aggressive player would 3bet turn). Betting adds fold equity.
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:16 PM
LoNeLyAcEs LoNeLyAcEs is offline
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Default Re: Bad river card?

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*g*

I say bet. Basically it's 50-50. If has has an ace you lose, if he has a king you win (if he had AK an aggressive player would 3bet turn). Betting adds fold equity.

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fold equity? tell me which better hand would fold here...

check, because i can't come up with a worse hand that will call you here
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:22 PM
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Default Re: Bad river card?

i check
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:36 PM
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fold equity? tell me which better hand would fold here...



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After the turn raise there's a small but existent possibility he puts you on A8. So the chance he is folding his ace is &gt; 0.
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:37 PM
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nightwood, sorry, nope, not at 6m, not at this limit
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:38 PM
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nightwood, sorry, nope, not at 6m, not at this limit

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Please, just a short outline why.
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