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Old 08-22-2007, 11:00 PM
crovax4444 crovax4444 is offline
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Default 10 NL with QQ 4-bet PF with J high board

Villain just sat down, first orbit for him

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $10.65
BB: $12.55
UTG: $17.65
MP: $11.05
CO: $7.90
BTN: $21.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $0.40</font>, CO calls $0.40, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.60</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $4.60</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $3.00

Flop: ($9.70) 4 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets all-in for $6.45</font>,

I tank for like 40 seconds, and somewhere in here:

Villain said, "QQ?"

I'd like to note that I checked to induce AK and AJ, since if I bet out, AA/KK/JJ will call and crush me anyways.

Now, I hate to completely rely on what someone verbally says to base my entire read on, but here are my thoughts:

1. Villain isn't afraid of the hand he just said in chat.
2. Therefore Villain would usually have a hand better than me at this point, so it takes out AK and AJ, leaving him with AA/KK/JJ, where I can safely fold.
3. Villain is an uber ninja and is metagaming me with TT, that SOB.

Other random thoughts:
If villain had AA, he'd say something like KK?QQ?
If villain had KK, he'd say something like QQ?
If villain had JJ, he'd prob say something like AA?

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Old 08-22-2007, 11:22 PM
Holdem_Hussl4 Holdem_Hussl4 is offline
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Default Re: 10 NL with QQ 4-bet PF with J high board

Easy call.
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Old 08-23-2007, 01:20 AM
crovax4444 crovax4444 is offline
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Default Re: 10 NL with QQ 4-bet PF with J high board

By no means is it an easy call even without the read with QQ after a 4-bet at 10NL. I guess an argument could be made about folding QQ to the 4-bet, but it was fairly tiny

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Old 08-23-2007, 01:37 AM
drsmooth drsmooth is offline
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Default Re: 10 NL with QQ 4-bet PF with J high board

Why put half your stack in then fold. What sense does that make. You hope to hit a set board, that villain slows down? Maybe I am wrong but I would never ever call pre-flop and fold. I'd push or fold pre.
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Old 08-23-2007, 01:37 AM
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Default Re: 10 NL with QQ 4-bet PF with J high board

if you're going to call the 4bet its an easy call imo. Calling off half your stack PF and folding an overpair isn't that good an idea IMO.
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