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08-21-2007, 05:37 PM
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Agreeing to flip ?
suppose i'm playing a 300 max 2/5 nl game. There would be no issue with me and the person to my left agreeing to flip (shove AI pf w/o looking at cards) if the hand is folded to us when we are both in the blinds, correct? (the goal being to bypass the cap)
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#3
08-21-2007, 05:56 PM
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Re: Agreeing to flip ?
I would have no problem with this except for the part that you conveniently left out.
You see this isn't bypassing the cap unless you and the other player are working together and intend to "return the money" later or are playing from the same bankroll. And its this part which I object to as cheating. If you were truly willing to blindly risk $300 for the chance to play with a large stack then that would be fine with me.
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#4
08-21-2007, 06:36 PM
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Re: Agreeing to flip ?
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I would have no problem with this except for the part that you conveniently left out. You see this isn't bypassing the cap unless you and the other player are working together and intend to "return the money" later or are playing from the same bankroll. And its this part which I object to as cheating. If you were truly willing to blindly risk $300 for the chance to play with a large stack then that would be fine with me. [/ QUOTE ] there's a reason this was conveniently left out. Because that's not at all the intention, and i'm not exactly sure where you got this impression. But I believe that most people, like you, would not have an issue with this. My question is still if casinos allow this.
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#5
08-21-2007, 06:40 PM
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Re: Agreeing to flip ?
Anytime your motivation is to bypass or circumvent the rules, don't go looking for approval. If you and the other player are partners then it's a clear cut case of collusion.
I have on occasion gone all-in with another player without looking, not necessarily just the blinds either. This was always for relatively small amounts (far less than the cap) and was motivated by entertainment value/generating action. I wouldn't do it for the max buy-in in any game you're likely to find me playing.
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#6
08-21-2007, 06:43 PM
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Re: Agreeing to flip ?
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and i'm not exactly sure where you got this impression. [/ QUOTE ] I got the impression from you. You stated that this was to bypass the cap. Its not bypassing the cap if the play is a straight up legitimate gamble. As to whether a casino would allow this, well of course they allow you to bet all in blind. The only reason a casino wouldn't allow this would be if they had in indication that you weren't really gambling, and that the money would be returned/same bankroll issue.
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#7
08-21-2007, 06:44 PM
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Re: Agreeing to flip ?
[ QUOTE ]
Anytime your motivation is to bypass or circumvent the rules, don't go looking for approval. If you and the other player are partners then it's a clear cut case of collusion. I have on occasion gone all-in with another player without looking, not necessarily just the blinds either. This was always for relatively small amounts (far less than the cap) and was motivated by entertainment value/generating action. I wouldn't do it for the max buy-in in any game you're likely to find me playing. [/ QUOTE ] To clarify, the person who i agree to flip with is some random stranger... there's no loss of generality in flipping with the person to the right of me, since there will be a hand where we are both simultaneously posting blinds. There's a reason that I stipulate that we both post blinds simultaneously.... if rather I am utg and the person I agree to is utg+1, then this seems more like cheating to me because you steal the blinds from whoever posted BB and SB. But in my situation, the only people risking money are the two people who agreed to flip, since we have already assumed that all others have folded.
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#8
08-21-2007, 08:37 PM
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Re: Agreeing to flip ?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Anytime your motivation is to bypass or circumvent the rules, don't go looking for approval. If you and the other player are partners then it's a clear cut case of collusion. I have on occasion gone all-in with another player without looking, not necessarily just the blinds either. This was always for relatively small amounts (far less than the cap) and was motivated by entertainment value/generating action. I wouldn't do it for the max buy-in in any game you're likely to find me playing. [/ QUOTE ] To clarify, the person who i agree to flip with is some random stranger... there's no loss of generality in flipping with the person to the right of me, since there will be a hand where we are both simultaneously posting blinds. There's a reason that I stipulate that we both post blinds simultaneously.... if rather I am utg and the person I agree to is utg+1, then this seems more like cheating to me because you steal the blinds from whoever posted BB and SB. But in my situation, the only people risking money are the two people who agreed to flip, since we have already assumed that all others have folded. [/ QUOTE ] Without loss of generality: if you would please go away now, we could return to sensible discussion.
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