33$ Speed: shorty vs shorty

[Stevens65]

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t400/t800
(Ante: t25)
4 players
Converter


Stack sizes:
CO: t13665
Hero: t945
SB: t4725
BB: t665


Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
CO calls t800 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t75)</font>, Hero calls.

I had some controversial discussion which move is the best. I called because I wanted to limit BB's chances to win the hand. SNG Wiz says fold. But is this a situation where ICM is still working, considering the 2 shorties? What would be your move?

Thanks in advance
Stevens

[Stevens65]

no one here who can help me?

[alex-star]

you really do not want to lose here. if folded to you, it'd be a push. with the big stack putting effectively you all-in, I'd prolly fold and hope that the BB gets knocked out.

[Dalek]

Fold. BB probably pot committed next hand. If he survives you can push next hand. Your probably a 60-40 underdog or worse so you don't loose anything by waiting for the next hand.

[Daddys_Visa]

That's an interesting hand. I think you have to call here. If you call, SB calls for sure and now shorty has to survive a 4-way checkdown (most likely). It would be very unlucky to finish 4th in that hand.

If you fold and shorty triples you are all-in on ATC (or at least top 75% UTG) for the next two hands while he can safely fold 3 hands in a row. That is disaster for you.

If you fold and shorty loses, you have a huge hill to climb to get from 3rd to 2nd, but can quadruple up if your J2 wins the 4-way giving you a decent stack to work with.

[Jibba]

With CO already in, I don't see a need to get involved. I assume he's got a better than average hand, and the fact that he limped makes me wonder. Plus, SB could wake up with a hand, and with a decent sized pot at that point, there's no guarantee that he's going to play along to help hero get into the money.

[Stevens65]

My point is that I don't expect more than getting 3rd and with my call I try to increase the chances of eliminating BB. If BB wins the hand my position is nearly hopeless irrespective of what I'm doing here.

[Stevens65]

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That's an interesting hand. I think you have to call here. If you call, SB calls for sure and now shorty has to survive a 4-way checkdown (most likely). It would be very unlucky to finish 4th in that hand.

If you fold and shorty triples you are all-in on ATC (or at least top 75% UTG) for the next two hands while he can safely fold 3 hands in a row. That is disaster for you.

If you fold and shorty loses, you have a huge hill to climb to get from 3rd to 2nd, but can triple up if your J2 wins the 4-way giving you a decent stack to work with.

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That's what I thought.
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[JROK777]

Fold. The big stack should push ATC here. He can't fold and try to pawn the bubble. There's a huge stack at his left. He'll do the dirty work.

[Pocketbear]

I'm folding. J2o is really crappy hand and SB will probably come along. There are a lot speculative hands I'd limp, but J2o is the absolute crap...