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Old 08-21-2007, 12:11 PM
ImpulseKid ImpulseKid is offline
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Default 10/20 nl tough spot with QQ

Hi this is my 1st post and i thought id start off with a tricky spot i just found myself in with QQ. All opinions and advice welcomed.

10/20 NL CASH GAME

HERO IS DEALT QcQs

UTG Folds
UTG+1 ($2000) Raises to 80
VILLAIN ($2200) Calls 80
HERO ($2500) Reraises to 320
SB Folds
BB Folds
UTG+1 Folds
VILLAIN Calls

FLOP Jd 10c 5d

VILLAIN Checks
HERO Bets 650
VILLAIN Calls

TURN 8s

VILLAIN Checks
HERO Checks

RIVER 2s

VILLAIN Bets 1230 All In
HERO ????????

Comments on turn and river play please and what hands you put villain on, results to follow.
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Old 08-21-2007, 04:02 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 nl tough spot with QQ

villain can have alot of hands, i prob just shove the turn but its the perfect river and you have to call.

You have to be good like 30% so you deff have the right odds to call.
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Old 08-21-2007, 04:30 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 nl tough spot with QQ

Pretty tough to put villian on a hand here. We can tighten up a range with some more info maybe...

Live or online - I'm guessing live but just to be sure
Table image(s) - How long have you been at this table with villian?

Anyway...on to the hand. I don't like the turn play here at all. If villain has flopped an open end straight or flush draw we are giving him a free card to make his hand. Unless you are very confident that you will be able to make this read and correctly bet/call/fold I don't see how checking the turn is to our advantage.

So we are now in a spot where villian has bet $1230 into a $1370 pot and has either got air (AK) or a set of jacks. My vote would be the set but I am biased because I run into more sets than any human being alive...lol
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Old 08-21-2007, 04:39 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 nl tough spot with QQ

push turn.
as played call
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Old 08-21-2007, 05:56 PM
ImpulseKid ImpulseKid is offline
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Default Re: 10/20 nl tough spot with QQ

I had been at the table for about an hour and the table had been pretty solid. It was online. I have seen villain b4 and he seems generally solid although slightly overvalues hands. Also the 1230 all in was into a 2020 pot.

The reason i check turn is because of the range of hands i am putting villain on (although i may be wrong). I cant see him calling my reraise oop pre flop with kq or any2 diamonds other than ak diamonds so i dont put him on a draw. Also the flop bet is 1/3 of his stack so with draw surely he reraises all in? I therefore put him on a set...
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Old 08-21-2007, 06:20 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 nl tough spot with QQ

Call, he think you have AK and he could be value shoving worse
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Old 08-21-2007, 06:25 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 nl tough spot with QQ

not tough at all
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Old 08-22-2007, 02:48 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 nl tough spot with QQ

you have to call. You bet the flop, checked the turn (bad) and a blank comes on the river. How has the Villian's hand been changed? If you are beat, you were beat on the flop. If you think he has AA or a set, muck. If you think he's pushing a river bluff on a solid table from a guy who has shown strength, you have to call.
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Old 08-22-2007, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 nl tough spot with QQ

push turn, call river.
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Old 08-22-2007, 05:20 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 nl tough spot with QQ

Hmm I dont mind betting the turn, but I can see why you didnt do it. I think your check behind line is probably better in the end. River I think is a call. Giving up with QQ on the turn here (check/folding the rest of the way) sucks. Unless a scare card comes that is.
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