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Old 08-20-2007, 06:37 PM
jk3a jk3a is offline
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Default Common River Spot I Still Struggle With

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $407.90
Hero (BB): $310.25
UTG: $288.80
BTN: $197.00

Reads: <font color="blue">Villain here was unknown. What do you do against him and other villain types...

a) unknown
b) 2p2er
c) tag fish
d) LAG

Obv. preflop can go raise/call/fold. But I'm more interested in this river situation where you call the flop with a marginal hand, the turn gets checked through, and the villain bets the river.</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7.00</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $5.00

Flop: ($15) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $9.00</font>, Hero calls $9.00

Turn: ($33) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($33) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $22.00</font>,
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:41 PM
carnivalhobo carnivalhobo is offline
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Default Re: Common River Spot I Still Struggle With

im 3betting this against everyone you listed, the only time i dont is when utg is like 16/12 or 50/1

i think river is a fold against what looks like a semi-competent villain
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:43 PM
hoyasaxa hoyasaxa is offline
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Default Re: Common River Spot I Still Struggle With

if you were good on the flop youre probably good on the river
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: Common River Spot I Still Struggle With

I call against pretty much anyone w/o a specific read, def an unknown.
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:55 PM
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Default Re: Common River Spot I Still Struggle With

as played, im calling. you checked 3 times, he probably doesn't figure you for much of a hand. you only have to be good here about 30% of the time. call it.
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:58 PM
Floyd13 Floyd13 is offline
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Default Re: Common River Spot I Still Struggle With

As played I'm value betting the river. If villian is very bluffy then of course c/c. But against most players I think betting is correct.

Not a huge fan of 3betting AQo OOP against a good opponent. I guess if the game is really aggressive you all but have to... Also was this hand against me?
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: Common River Spot I Still Struggle With

b, c, and d all bet the turn with almost all their hands due to the draws. even JT will be betting the turn a bunch because they know you can't be that strong.

therefore i'd probably call the river and be good 30% of the time.
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Old 08-20-2007, 07:08 PM
SimonAllan SimonAllan is offline
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Call - I don't think most players check a better hand behind on the turn with straight and flush draws there. It's possible villain has sucked out on the river with a hand like 89, 99 or JT, but against a lot of players, the c-bet, check turn, bet the river line seems to be air more than 30% of the time.
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Old 08-20-2007, 07:13 PM
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Default Re: Common River Spot I Still Struggle With

I don't see any other way to play it postflop once you don't 3 bet preflop. Even the nitiest of nits will try stabbing the river a decent percentage of the time after you check three times.
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