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#1
08-19-2007, 07:44 PM
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early hand in the FTOPS main event
Its early in the main event, not much for reads so far:
Full Tilt Poker Game #3302858471: FTOPS Main Event (22695133), Table 162 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:20:19 ET - 2007/08/19 Seat 1: BaNt4_CrUz (4,640) Seat 2: ilovemypuppy (5,609) Seat 3: bigt439 (5,104) Seat 4: jobless23 (6,110) Seat 5: Steve Zolotow (5,469) Seat 6: Part-TimeTilter (4,912) Seat 7: COCOROCO27 (4,731) Seat 8: skarp1 (4,790) Seat 9: FUZZZY77NAVEL (3,635) Steve Zolotow posts the small blind of 20 Part-TimeTilter posts the big blind of 40 The button is in seat #4 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Part-TimeTilter [Ah Qh] COCOROCO27 folds skarp1 has 15 seconds left to act skarp1 raises to 140 FUZZZY77NAVEL folds BaNt4_CrUz folds ilovemypuppy folds bigt439 calls 140 jobless23 folds Steve Zolotow folds Part-TimeTilter has 15 seconds left to act Part-TimeTilter calls 100 *** FLOP *** [5h Th 8d] Part-TimeTilter checks skarp1 checks bigt439 has 15 seconds left to act bigt439 bets 288 Part-TimeTilter has 15 seconds left to act Part-TimeTilter calls 288 skarp1 has 15 seconds left to act skarp1 raises to 760 bigt439 has 15 seconds left to act bigt439 folds Part-TimeTilter has 15 seconds left to act Part-TimeTilter calls 472 *** TURN *** [5h Th 8d] [8c] Part-TimeTilter checks skarp1 checks *** RIVER *** [5h Th 8d 8c] [7h] Part-TimeTilter has 15 seconds left to act Part-TimeTilter bets 800 skarp1 raises to 2,200 Part-TimeTilter has 15 seconds left to act Part-TimeTilter has requested TIME Part-TimeTilter calls 1,400 I said to my friend on MSN, "my word he has TT" as his raise preflop followed by a check on the flop seemed suspicious. However his check could have also been a clever trap with JJ-AA. Is there anyway I can fold here? I also considered a fold preflop? What's your line? 
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#2
08-19-2007, 07:53 PM
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Re: early hand in the FTOPS main event
you played it decently, although your turn check is questionable... It's much easier for him to put you on a draw of some type that way. As for folding the river, i just don't see how you can do so with a checked turn. Did he have it?
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#3
08-19-2007, 09:04 PM
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Re: early hand in the FTOPS main event
There is no way you can fold, people will play smaller flushes this way.
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#4
08-20-2007, 12:21 AM
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Re: early hand in the FTOPS main event
Yes he did have it. I knew it... and i called anyways. I thought the flop-check gave it dead away because would you really check in that spot with an overpair. I said to my friend, he has TT, i requested time and then i called anyways. Is there a point in which trusting your instincts becomes more important than anything else, regardless of the pot odds or the strength of your hand?
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#5
08-20-2007, 03:39 AM
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Re: early hand in the FTOPS main event
this is somewhat paraphrased from an old post, but sometimes our subconcious is right and we cant explain why. it is able to process all these things that we are not actively thnking about, and make a decision. thats why sometimes no matter how good odds are or how strong out hand is, some part of our brain says toss it.
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#6
08-20-2007, 12:22 PM
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Re: early hand in the FTOPS main event
Not only do you have to make hands but you also have to control the pot size. Once the board pairs it's much easier / wiser to just check call.
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#7
08-20-2007, 12:44 PM
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Re: early hand in the FTOPS main event
[ QUOTE ]
Yes he did have it. I knew it... and i called anyways. I thought the flop-check gave it dead away because would you really check in that spot with an overpair. I said to my friend, he has TT, i requested time and then i called anyways. Is there a point in which trusting your instincts becomes more important than anything else, regardless of the pot odds or the strength of your hand? [/ QUOTE ] On-line poker is almost always about the math. You put him on A HAND, not a range of hands. The nut flush on a paired board is a risky venture, but you have to beat a decent 2nd best hand to win a large pot. IMHO, a naked 8 (A-8 sooted), the K hi flush, and a turned FH all play a similar line here. As another poster replied, if you were sure of the boat, why did you bet the river? Either way, this is a clear call due to your equity vs. his hand range. IMO, on-line reads are nothing more than betting patterns which once again is more math (statistics & probability) based. What were you hoping to achieve by posting this hand, anyway?
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#9
08-20-2007, 05:38 PM
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Re: early hand in the FTOPS main event
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No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $20/$40 9 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $4731 UTG+1: $4790 MP1: $3635 MP2: $4640 MP3: $5609 CO: $5104 Button: $6110 SB: $5469 Hero: $4912 Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $140</font>, 3 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero calls. Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($440, 3 players) Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $288</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $760</font>, CO folds, Hero calls. Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($2248, 2 players) Hero checks, UTG+1 checks. River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($2248, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $800</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $2200</font>, Hero calls. Results: Final pot: $6648
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