question about hand odds

[just2fast]

I just found out I'm brand new to poker. I had no Idea, but I'm starting to study now. My question is how many out cards to count when figuring hand odds.

Flop cards: Jh 10s 3h 8c
hold cards: 9h 2h

Do I count outs for the jack high flush only or the flush and the possible straight? How does neither possible hand being the nut effect my odds.

I apologize in advance if this is a stupid question but I can't find an answer to it in the books I'm reading.

Thanks,

[Quicksilvre]

If you have good reason to believe that a straight would give you the best hand, you would include those cards as outs as well.

The straight isn't going to be too strong of a hand for you, since you're using only one card out of your hand to make it, but it's helped by the fact you're using an inside card.

[AKQJ10]

It's still likely to be the best hand, since the only better hands out will be AK and K9 if you hit the high end or Q9 if you hit the low end. But there's also a good chance you split the pot with another nine if the hand is multiway.

We can't properly estimate the value of those six "partial outs" without a hand history and some reads, but I'd guess they're worth about four outs.

Also your flush draw isn't to the nuts, but it's still probably a winning hand so you wouldn't discount it much.

[SmartBugger]

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I just found out I'm brand new to poker. I had no Idea, but I'm starting to study now. My question is how many out cards to count when figuring hand odds.

Flop cards: Jh 10s 3h 8c
hold cards: 9h 2h

Do I count outs for the jack high flush only or the flush and the possible straight? How does neither possible hand being the nut effect my odds.

I apologize in advance if this is a stupid question but I can't find an answer to it in the books I'm reading.

Thanks,

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First tell us if its limit or no limit. In NL, it's fairly easy to get the basics of pot-odds and what you should chase and not. You know how much it will cost to chase, and its all dependent on if your opponent will pay you off if you hit (implied odds).


In Limit, to be real good.... you will want to understand how to calculate hidden outs. You will also need to understand reverse implied odds and pot equity to a much deeper degree than is needed in NL (because NL is more psycological).

[AKQJ10]

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In Limit, to be real good.... you will want to understand how to calculate hidden outs. You will also need to understand reverse implied odds and pot equity to a much deeper degree than is needed in NL (because NL is more psycological).

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No. RIO is much more important in NL. The penalty for paying off AK with your A9 in limit is a few big bets; in NL it's a few really big bets.

Also I don't know why you figure hidden outs are only a LHE concept. (Maybe because SSHE is a limit book.) If AA is against J9 on this board:

J 9 7 - 5

a five or seven on the river makes aces up regardless of the betting structure. That's really all hidden outs are.