$12 couple of bubble AK hands

[sixfour]

Hands are back to back. Big stack is competent. Microstack is Finnisher if that makes a difference. Nothing particular on the other guy. Both standard? SNGwiz trial has expired otherwise I'd just use that.

[edit - Finnisher is crippled after he called my UTG desperation Q7 shove with 96s and missed, in case you think that might affect calling ranges]

If these are standard, what do we need to shove?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t250/t500
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t2015
Button: t420
Hero: t2990
BB: t8075

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, Hero folds

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t250/t500
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t420
Hero: t2740
SB: t8325
BB: t2015

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero folds, SB folds.

[stevi3p]

i think i fold both too but the first one is close. why is the "competent" big stack folding in hand 2 - surely a shove w ATC?

[Sykes]

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i think i fold both too but the first one is close. why is the "competent" big stack folding in hand 2 - surely a shove w ATC?

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ppl are [censored] awful at sngs and don't like using the big stack ever.

both are folds also.

[sixfour]

By competent I meant "he's not going to start spewing off like your average low limit donk" rather than "he gets ICM and will pwn the bubble with the big stack"

[RexWoo]

1st is a push if he calls less than 40%.

In game I'd probably push.