general AK 3bet or call question

[crunny]

100BB stack in MP 20/5 (AA-99, AK-AQ) makes a standard pre flop raise. You have position with AK do you 3-bet or call? why?

How do the various variables (PFR, stacks, position etc.) change your answer?

[Mingdu]

Interesting ... the range you describe is 5% and yet your read is 20%. He limps the other 15%?

Was he first in?

[BT2]

i would fold against this range.

[mack848]

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Interesting ... the range you describe is 5% and yet your read is 20%. He limps the other 15%?

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I am pretty sure he is describing his raising range.

[mack848]

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i would fold against this range.

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What, are you serious? You are 50/50 vs. his range and have position.

[Mingdu]

yeah ... I just think that someone who has a vpip of 20% has a MUCH bigger raising range from MP

of course I wasn't there, thus the question

[Kos13]

That can't possibly be his full range. I'm 3betting a 20/5 IP with AK every single time.

[Mike Kelley]

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That can't possibly be his full range. I'm 3betting a 20/5 IP with AK every single time.

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If you open up pokerstove and select those hands it comes out to 5.1%

[Kos13]

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That can't possibly be his full range. I'm 3betting a 20/5 IP with AK every single time.

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If you open up pokerstove and select those hands it comes out to 5.1%

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That assumes he's raising the same hands from every position. I'll continue to pimp diebitter's hang range tool because it's fantastic. A 20/5 from MP...

Usually Raising: AA, KK, QQ, AKs, AKo, JJ, TT, 99, AQs, 88, AJs (and this takes into account all MP's as the same...I think you could probably expand it out a bit to include AJ and 77)

This range (AK-AJ, AA-77) makes 3betting better. You pretty much always get 4bet by AA/KK and can fold. 4bets with QQ/JJ are player dependent. The rest of the hands all call or fold, and since you're in position, a 3bet is much better than a call.

Also, that doesn't even take into account the chance that cold-calling with AK allows other players to join in for a multi-way pot, something you don't want with AK.

[CazicT]

Why can't that be his full range? 5% is fairly passive. Is it that hard to believe he wouldn't raise AJ or 88 in MP? I've certainly seen people limp hands like these under similar circumstances.

Assuming he cares about position, he probably raises more than 5% in LP and less in EP and probably about 5% from MP, more or less.

Now as to whether I re-raise with AK, hmm kind of a tough question, depends on villians Postflop tendencies alot.