Am i value towning myself?

[carnivalhobo]

Is this too much action on the turn?
Villain is unknown

Hero (SB): $194.00
BB: $244.05
UTG: $82.70
MP: $171.00
CO: $122.00
BTN: $367.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $2.00, MP calls $2.00, CO folds, BTN calls $2.00, Hero calls $1.00, BB checks

Flop: ($10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $7.00</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $7.00, MP calls $7.00, BTN folds

Turn: ($31) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $19.00</font>, MP calls $19.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $99.00</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $80.00

River: ($248) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $86.00</font>

[Bukem_]

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Preflop: Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)

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Flop: ($10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $7.00</font>


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ewww.


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[carnivalhobo]

buke, how often are these guys limping a Qx hand or calling this lead with less than a Q/22?

[fitnessfreak]

i wouldnt be bothering with betting the flop here oop v 4 opponents.

as played i just lead the turn. given that you checked i dont mind your c/r. no real reason to think that you are behind and you can get value off a decent Q or even some kind of draw.

[ThaHero]

Personally I don't like betting the flop with 4 people to act and a Q on board.

On the turn, I see what you tried to do, but again, vs. 2 villains I can't say I like it all that much. I don't think he calls any worse on the river shove, or folds anything better.

[Bukem_]

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buke, how often are these guys limping a Qx hand or calling this lead with less than a Q/22?

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loose passive guys call with any 8 here and will likely have a better kicker than you. You just can't value bet 2nd pair no kicker into 4 people.

[carnivalhobo]

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buke, how often are these guys limping a Qx hand or calling this lead with less than a Q/22?

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loose passive guys call with any 8 here and will likely have a better kicker than you. You just can't value bet 2nd pair no kicker into 4 people.

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its not a value bet

[terp]

turn/river are fine against most who play 1/2. this is the kind of flop i donk out in omaha with air but it's pretty bad in nlhe

[cannonballer]

One of Abas cardrunner videos summed this situation up very nicely I think. You should continue to bet. The turn check raise is a mistake because we lose value when it gets checked behind and no reasonable player is going to call a huge check raise with a pair of Queens that we beat.

In this example I can only assume that the player who called your raise had a draw of sorts- if it was 97 it came in and we are done.

[gimmetheloot]

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One of Abas cardrunner videos summed this situation up very nicely I think. You should continue to bet. The turn check raise is a mistake because we lose value when it gets checked behind and no reasonable player is going to call a huge check raise with a pair of Queens that we beat.

In this example I can only assume that the player who called your raise had a draw of sorts- if it was 97 it came in and we are done.

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also flop bet IS gross IMO. and limping QJ/QT/Q9s/QK is done all the time...Qx is actually one of the hands i see people limp with more than anything else.

and yes, you VT'd yourself.

If you think they not calling flop with anythig but Qx/22 and u do get 2 callers and a bet and a calla fter u check the turn...well..