Missed Value w/ 66

Nick D · #1 08-14-2007, 12:08 AM

This is a hand where I know I lost a lot of value. First of all, I think I should have raised this flop (yes, no?). Secondly, I should have probably bet the turn as I was not guaranteed to have the player behind me bet (probably on a flush draw from the looks of it). Tell me what you guys think..

Villain: 27.66/10.64/1.4 over 47 hands

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button bets, SB folds, Hero calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (3 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (3 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: 3 BB

Aaron W. · #2 08-14-2007, 12:12 AM

If by "raise this flop" you mean "bet this flop", then yes, you should have. If you mean "check-raise this flop" the answer is no.

Gib · #3 08-14-2007, 12:13 AM

I like c/r'ng the flop here, if MP2 calls 2 cold I'd be a little wary of him but I'll get excited when i see that turn [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

MrWookie · #4 08-14-2007, 12:15 AM

Yeah, I don't mind a check-and-see here. As it went down, I think a raise is good.

NIX · #5 08-14-2007, 12:35 AM

Depending what I know about the others in the hand, I don't think betting out is bad. If they'll fold with overcards to my 66, I'll take it.

As played, I'd probably raise the flop. Button might be taking a stab at this with air since not a lot of hands will hit it. Plus, if I have the best hand, I'd prefer if MP2 didn't come along with overcards.

As played I want to donk/3-bet the turn. Half because I might get the chance if Villain has a pair bigger than the 6 or Qx, half because I don't want him taking a free card with a flush draw (since we'd miss a bet), and half because I'm being results oriented.

I definitely donk the river though.

Eric Yang · #6 08-14-2007, 12:45 AM

I'd probably raise flop to kick out some overcards.

Then bet on turn and river if they call down

Aaron W. · #7 08-14-2007, 12:51 AM

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Yeah, I don't mind a check-and-see here. As it went down, I think a raise is good.

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With only two players left to act, I don't like a check so much. Make it a more multiway pot, with three or four more left, then I'd be more inclined to check it.

NIX · #8 08-14-2007, 02:37 AM

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If by "raise this flop" you mean "bet this flop", then yes, you should have. If you mean "check-raise this flop" the answer is no.

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Then what exactly do you mean by this Aaron? I get the betting out is good part. For the second part, are you saying that checking and then raising the bet from LP is bad, or just that checking with the intention of raising a LP bet is bad. I'm assuming it's the latter, yes?

Ulkis · #9 08-14-2007, 02:44 AM

In these situations on the flop I am usually too timid - afraid of someone having Q or pocket pair higher than 66. So I would have checked too, and when noone showed particular strength I would assume noone has Q. I would have still been afraid of higher pocket pair though and would have just called - just like you did.

When I see the 3rd 6 I bet and think "I got you now...".

I guess my problem is I always assume bigger pair etc is out there.

Nick D · #10 08-14-2007, 03:08 AM

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If by "raise this flop" you mean "bet this flop", then yes, you should have. If you mean "check-raise this flop" the answer is no.

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Aaron, if I open the action here on the flop and get raised by villain, what is my next action?