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Old 08-13-2007, 06:49 PM
Wolfram Wolfram is offline
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Default I fold KK overpair on the turn

Villain has tag stats (22/10/1 after 50 hands) but I've caught him pulling weird bluffs before. I'm pretty sure he'll raise his draws.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Villain check/raises, hero folds.

Final Pot: 4.16 BB
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Old 08-13-2007, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: I fold KK overpair on the turn

Did BB bet or c/r turn?
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Old 08-13-2007, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: I fold KK overpair on the turn

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Villain has tag stats (22/10/1 after 50 hands) but I've caught him pulling weird bluffs before. I'm pretty sure he'll raise his draws.

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Im going to assume that he c/red. I wouldnt fold if hes done stuff like this. Its also possible that you have 8 outs.
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Old 08-13-2007, 07:09 PM
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Default Re: I fold KK overpair on the turn

Discount the read a bit cause it's only the one time and I don't remember exactly what he did. Could have been that he just semi-bluffed real hard oop or whatever. Probably wasn't a pure bluff.
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Old 08-13-2007, 07:50 PM
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Default Re: I fold KK overpair on the turn

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Discount the read a bit cause it's only the one time and I don't remember exactly what he did. Could have been that he just semi-bluffed real hard oop or whatever. Probably wasn't a pure bluff.

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But why not check behind the turn if you're folding to a c/r?
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:28 AM
Gurravasa Gurravasa is offline
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Default Re: I fold KK overpair on the turn

valuecheck turn against a bluffy villain.
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Old 08-14-2007, 05:19 AM
Guy McSucker Guy McSucker is offline
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Default Re: I fold KK overpair on the turn

He has very plausibly represented the 6 here and I think you are indeed toast more than the 20% or whatever it is you need to call down.

But there's this old Clarkmeister adage... if you're in a heads up pot with (it was JJ but let's say) KK and your plan includes folding, better find another plan.

Since it seems like we can fold to the turn c/r, we probably don't want to get c/red on this turn. The only way out is not to bet.

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Old 08-14-2007, 05:23 AM
TheHip41 TheHip41 is offline
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Default Re: I fold KK overpair on the turn

if you bet, you can't fold.

so if you are worried about folding the winner, don't bet.

online, you just can't bet/fold overpairs in HU pots on the turn.

You have 8 outs to beat two pair
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Old 08-14-2007, 06:06 AM
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Default Re: I fold KK overpair on the turn

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You have 8 outs to beat two pair

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Actually its 10. There is four 6's that will chop the pot vs two pair hands. So Hero has 2 set outs, 4 chop outs and 6 counterfeiting outs vs 2 pair.

I agree tho, this can not be a b/f. I would b/c, I dont think checking and handing out free cards on that board is the play.
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Old 08-14-2007, 07:00 AM
MartynasD MartynasD is offline
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Default Re: I fold KK overpair on the turn

I don`t like it.Turn is good for semibluffing.And it`s possible he wosn`t having wining hand here.CAll call
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