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Old 08-13-2007, 10:24 AM
tomek322 tomek322 is offline
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Default FTOPS, deep ITM JJ hand... general help

Got to the table two orbits ago with 24k. I doubled up, than I RR like 4 hands. Showed AQ on initial double up and TT. I have re-raised this guy once already. Not sure if they assume I was getting a rush(which i was) or that I'm hyper aggro.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t1700/t3400
(Ante: t400)
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t44860
UTG+1: t75264
Hero: t86918
MP2: t192010
CO: t93780
Button: t105758
SB: t52402
BB: t72512

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to t8500</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero??
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:34 AM
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Default Re: FTOPS, deep ITM JJ hand... general help

Reraise.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:40 AM
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Default Re: FTOPS, deep ITM JJ hand... general help

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Reraise.

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Obv, how much?

This is where I took a visit to donkey town... I made it 38k.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:55 AM
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Default Re: FTOPS, deep ITM JJ hand... general help

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Reraise.

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Obv, how much?

This is where I took a visit to donkey town... I made it 38k.

[/ QUOTE ] 38K is fine. Any reraise pot commits you. If someone has a higher pair so be it.

Actually flat call may be good too. It is a little tricky situation due to stack sizes and the early position raise.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:56 AM
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Default Re: FTOPS, deep ITM JJ hand... general help

What are we aiming at with our RR? I would like to prevent the remaining players from joining the pot - getting increasing good odds - but I don´t (!!) want OR to fold weaker hands (like 99/TT/AQ/AK). Certainly Villain will never fold QQ+. Said this I would make it 17k to go but be prepared to fold against a push!

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By the way: in later position (button) I had just flat-called as the risk of further callers is decreased and I definitely don´t want to

a) kick him off with a smaller PP / AK
b) get a RR-AI
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:56 AM
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Default Re: FTOPS, deep ITM JJ hand... general help

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Reraise.

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Obv, how much?

This is where I took a visit to donkey town... I made it 38k.

[/ QUOTE ] 38K is fine. Any reraise pot commits you. If someone has a higher pair so be it.

Actually flat call may be good too. It is a little tricky situation due to stack sizes and the early position raise.

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So you have no problem felting this? I was told I shoulve of raise folded. Liek20-24k and fold to a shove.
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Old 08-13-2007, 11:05 AM
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Default Re: FTOPS, deep ITM JJ hand... general help

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Reraise.

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Obv, how much?

This is where I took a visit to donkey town... I made it 38k.

[/ QUOTE ] 38K is fine. Any reraise pot commits you. If someone has a higher pair so be it.

Actually flat call may be good too. It is a little tricky situation due to stack sizes and the early position raise.

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So you have no problem felting this? I was told I shoulve of raise folded. Liek20-24k and fold to a shove.

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Can't reraise fold, because push could be AK and your pot odds are too good. Either reraise and felt or flat call and play flop.
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Old 08-13-2007, 11:19 AM
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Default Re: FTOPS, deep ITM JJ hand... general help

If I make it 17k to go (which will prevent further callers from coming along) and Villain then pushes I assume a range of JJ+, AK. Against this range I´m a 2:1 dog, but just gets odds of 1.7:1 for a call. So I could find a fold and rest with a stack that still lets me play some good poker. Or am I wrong?

Other question: do you expect 99/TT to call your reraise to 38k? Do you expect AK to fold against a push? If not in both times - why aren´t we just pushing immediately then, if we plan to call Villain´s push anyway? I can see no difference here ...
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Old 08-13-2007, 11:31 AM
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Default Re: FTOPS, deep ITM JJ hand... general help

Tackle,

There is no guarantee that if I make it 17k or 20k (I hate min rasises) AA or KK wouldn’t flat call. Knowing that they can CRAI on the flop.

After I make it 38k, I don’t expect any hand to call. If the guy is playing his hand he is shoving.
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Old 08-13-2007, 11:32 AM
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Default Re: FTOPS, deep ITM JJ hand... general help

A call might have been good as well, give someonethe opportunity to squeeze.
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