Help with KQo in a final table

[BaronVonBluff]

I made it to the final table in a local tournament today and ran into a rough hand.

Blinds are 500/1000, you have about 20,000.
You have Kc Qs and open with a raise from middle position for 2500
It folds around to the big blind, who is playing aggressively, and he calls.

The flop is: Ks Ts 6h
The big blind bets out 6000

What do you do?
I raised to 12000. I think this is wrong.

He calls.

The turn is: 2c
The big blind checks his cards, thinks for a second, and puts me all in.

I had top pair, good kicker, and second nut flush draw. I mucked. This left me more or less crippled and I ended up going out 6th.

What is he betting on the flop? Maybe two pair or a set, but if so why doesn't he push when I play back at him? With flush and straight draws out there, he doesn't want to give me a card. So he's betting a weaker king and/or a draw?

On the turn, he has no reason to think that I won't bet if he checks, so he's trying (sucessfully) to push me off a winner? Or does he already have a good hand and doesn't want a 4th flush to hit the board?

If I replayed it now, I think I would call his bet on the turn and see what happens. Unless he has a set or the As, I'm only about a 3:1 dog if he has me beat, so I had pot odds.

Comments?

[swede554]

Wow yea this is not good, just make life easy for yourself and push the flop.

As played DEF do not fold the turn.

[udbrky]

You started with 20BB, pre-flop isn't bad. You're starting to get to the point where you've gotta gamble anything decent, or start getting blinded out.

On the flop, there's 5500, and you've got 17,500 against an aggressive player. Once he bets the pot, for a third of your stack, you've gotta shove, and hope he didn't hit 2-pair, or a bigger king.

You shouldn't raise for two thirds of your stack, unless you think he's got a small pair, and thinks you're just on a draw. But if that draw comes in, will he shut down?

Shove his bet on the flop. He checked his hole cards on the turn to see if he has one of that suit.

What's he betting on the flop? Any K, a decent T, pocket pairs 88-JJ. Flush draw. Straight draw. ATC if he thinks you'll fold. He's only folding the weaker of his ATC. He probably even calls a good ace with your min-raise.

[the emmitt]

He probably has a strong ten, a weak King, or a flush draw. He was getting 2-1 to call your raise pre-flop so could have called with a wide distribution of hands.

You must push on the flop as the other posters have suggested, if he has you beat that's just too bad. You can't fold the turn, too much invested.

[Tackleberry]

It would be helpful to know the stack of Villain.

After all - we have a good hand on the flop with TPTK. Villain overbets (!!) the flop out of position without the initiative. First: would he really have done this with a monster? I don´t think so. Anyway, if Villain really had two-pair or a set, he would call our push anyway. So what do we reach with a push? Even if he were on a flush-draw he would have gotten the right odds to call us. Given this, the only target we reach with a push is to let him fold weaker hands!!

Said this - I just had called the flop (having committed my whole stack in mind anyway) and had given him enough rope to hang himself. Needless to say, that I had called any turnbet (including a push) and pushed the river myself.

[Pokerfarian]

Folding the turn is absolutely horrid. I'd shove the flop but the turn fold is the decision that throws away $$$.

[MJBuddy]

Shoving flop. You can't run away from these kinds of hands if you want to play them pre.

Also, you don't have a flush draw?

[Dave D]

Pretty much what everyone else said, but also DONT MIN RAISE, wow that's really really bad there. Normally, all it does is give villian odds to call. Here, you're putting in WAY too much to ever fold, might as well push and maximize FE and/or extract the most from a worse hand that he probably has. The flop is push or fold, I would push given your read. This hand is a good illustration of why we don't put so much in, ever, with any intent to fold (namely the flop action).

Turn is an instacall given what I've said, and now we have the flush draw (maybe?).

You're playing for first, keep that in mind.

[BarryLyndon]

You raised to 2.5XBB into the BB for a reason,
That reason was to hit a K on the flop,
Now there is some resistence,
You minraise and then fold like a sop,
If you don't get it in on this board,
Then you're poker profits will be horrid,
Pussy pussy pussy pussy pussy 11K already in the pot,
What were you thinking, 11K already in the pot?

Barry

[Sherman]

[ QUOTE ]
You raised to 2.5XBB into the BB for a reason,
That reason was to hit a K on the flop,
Now there is some resistence,
You minraise and then fold like a sop,
If you don't get it in on this board,
Then you're poker profits will be horrid,
Pussy pussy pussy pussy pussy 11K already in the pot,
What were you thinking, 11K already in the pot?

Barry

[/ QUOTE ]

Nice work Barry. C- .