Why no Omaha8 in Indiana?

MurphNKY · #1 08-13-2007, 01:02 AM

Curious why Argosy/Belterra/GrandVic (lol) aren't interested at all in catering to Omaha Hi-Lo fans like myself. I have yet to see it running at Argosy (and I go freguently) or GrandVic and have seen it once at Belterra.

So, I'm wondering..why the taboo attitude towards O8 in this area?

I get that it doesn't have near the interest level that HE has, but, it does have at least MILD interest. In fact, the last two times I was at Argosy, there were interest lists that went 10-12 deep, but the staff didn't want to get the game started.

I guess I just don't understand why it seems that - other than the limited interest - staffers at these establishments seem annoyed or pissed when asked about O8.

Also, in being around other places - Tunica for sure, some Florida rooms and mildly in Vegas - it seems that other rooms nationally not only run o8, but actually encourage play.

As an extension of that, I guess I wonder why not offer variety in games to appeal to more groups of players? For instance, I was at Derby Lane in Tampa...that room had a slew of different games going, sit-n-go's, multi table tourneys and various other things to cater to those that like things other than hold em.

While Argosy is great to have so close to me, it just seems like it would be wise of the staff to at least be open to the idea of running it more often.

Just curious what you all think...Steam, you want to chime in here? I know you love O8 and at least have some knowledge of the Argosy (if not Belterra, GV) staffs.

Hope everyone is well...

bellatrix · #2 08-13-2007, 01:11 AM

Perhaps they do not have enough dealers that deal the game smoothly. If you have a bad dealer that can't do the split quickly enough, you are looking at 15-20 hands per hour in comparison to the 30 you get at Hold'em. So more rake in Hold'em...

The interest list might be 10-12 people deep, but most of the time those are posted for hours and hours and 6 of those players might have already left the casino.

steamboatin · #3 08-13-2007, 09:20 AM

I haven't been but I understand Omaha 8 goes at Argosy every Wednesday around 6 PM.

Casino Aztar usually runs a 10-20 with a half kill on Tuesdays. I haven't been for a couple of months so call first before driving to Evansville, IN.

franknagaijr · #4 08-13-2007, 11:15 AM

Based on how many Cincis I've seen on stars and in this forum, I'm starting to think that Cincinnati should be an O8 mecca. Does it somehow relate to the spaghetti with chili on top?

And they don't deal it because poker players are worm dirt in terms of revenue produced per square foot of casino space. They only make money from you if you bring your wife and she plays roullette. The customer is always right only when the customer represents revenue. They probably don't even bother pumping oxygen into that part of the casino.

steamboatin · #5 08-13-2007, 11:20 AM

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Based on how many Cincis I've seen on stars and in this forum, I'm starting to think that Cincinnati should be an O8 mecca. Does it somehow relate to the spaghetti with chili on top?

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I was quite dissapointed the first time I ordered Chili in Cincy. The waitress asked me if I wanted a three-way and just like French Lick, IN it wasn't what it sounded like either.

iron81 · #6 08-13-2007, 12:31 PM

Why do people always blame the casino when a game they want isn't spread? In every casino I've been too, the impression I got was that pretty much anything can be spread if there is sufficient interest. The top three reasons why your game isn't being spread:

1. Not enough people want to play it
2. Not legally allowed to spread it (can usually be changed if there is enough interest to get the license)
3. Casino doesn't want the game.

AKQJ10 · #7 08-13-2007, 12:51 PM

So use this thread to coordinate, call up the casino, and tell them you can deliver 7-8 players at such-and-such time to play O8. Surely they can find enough trained dealers if you drop a game in their lap like this.

MurphNKY · #8 08-13-2007, 12:54 PM

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Why do people always blame the casino when a game they want isn't spread? In every casino I've been too, the impression I got was that pretty much anything can be spread if there is sufficient interest. The top three reasons why your game isn't being spread:

1. Not enough people want to play it
2. Not legally allowed to spread it (can usually be changed if there is enough interest to get the license)
3. Casino doesn't want the game.

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Just making sure I'm interpreting your post correctly...So, by starting your post out the way you did, I'm assuming you are:

1. From the NKY/Cincinnati area.
2. Familiar with the inner workings of Argosy, Belterra and Grand Vic, so you know that the reason why is one of those three you listed above?

I can assure you that in this area, the staffs of local rooms are NOT willing to spread other games based on interest level.

Buckeyes · #9 08-13-2007, 01:02 PM

I can only say what supervisors have personally told me at the Argosy. I know the Omaha game spreads every Wednesday evening at the Argosy. 2 supervisors in the later hours have told me that games such as hose or horse can never happen for reasons such as the internals turned into the state for these games do not allow the poker room to spread them. Both supervisors have told me that the manager of the room dislikes these type of games.
This is why many poker rooms plain and simple SUCK !!!! Poker room managers run games to there liking and disregard what the general public would want. I leave no doubt that no limit games are the favorite all over the country but i believe that simply put, start a horse or a hose list or even a razz list at these establishments and rooms would have a greater chance of getting a better mix of games spread.
The Argosy is just one of many rooms all over the area that have clueless leadership. Yes they have Omaha 8 on Wednesday's but try the more challenging limit games of interest and the help blames lack of interest on why these games do not get spread.
The World Series of Poker in Vegas has a $50,000 HORSE event in tournament action. Surely a casino can get a cash game of the same sort going in there poker room with some effort. Lazyness is to blame!

MurphNKY · #10 08-13-2007, 01:23 PM

Thanks for the information Buckeyes and...I couldn't agree with you more. It's really frustrating for me as a huge fan of Omaha, O8 and HORSE/mixed games.

I grow painfully tired of the same party line from room management that "there isn't enough interest" and, similiarly, from Hold Em only type guys like iron81 who have been brainwashed by this type of management.

I will never understand why leadership in rooms don't understand that variety, while in moderation obviously, is a good thing and will appeal to a wider range of clientele. And, as most of you know, mixed/omaha games will bring in probably a range from women, seniors and super skilled players from the area who know they can crush the game.

Good to know from someone close to the situation that it truly appears to go back to management "not liking the games". Don't get me wrong, I love Argosy, but they need to open themselves up...

And, Buckeyes, great point about the 50,000 HORSE event/lazyness...my point exactly. It's easy to claim "no interest" when the games are never offered. Why ask when it's never offered..I'm guessing that's the attituded of many. Especially when greeted iwth the same grufness/rudeness when such questions are asked.

If anyone in Argosy management reads this...PLEASE consider opening yourselves up to the possibility of at least offering a regular Omaha game. And, gulp, perhpas something a bit lower..like maybe a 3-6 with a full kill. WHICH, is offered regularly at the Gold Strike in Tunica and has a HUGE regular following/player list.

Thanks for continued feedback...