Big stacked with 99 against isolator

Offspring6767 · #1 08-13-2007, 12:31 AM

No reads, hadn't seen this player get out of line at all.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t300/t600
(Ante: t50)
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Incredible Hulk is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 calls t600 (pot was t1350), 2 folds, CO raises to t3000, Incredible Hulk raises to t14000, 3 folds, CO calls all-in t9006.
Uncalled bets: t1994 returned to Incredible Hulk.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t25962, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t25962)

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t25962, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t25962)

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t25962, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t25962)

Results in white:

Final pot: t25962

Villain has 99

Offspring6767 · #2 08-13-2007, 01:03 AM

Bump...can some1 at least look at this?

udbrky · #3 08-13-2007, 02:03 AM

What's your chip stack? He has ~20 BB. Not a bad move. He could be raising wide, but folding most of those hands. If it won't hurt you to lose the chips, take a flip with decent fold equity.

You're 40% against 77+, AJ+. I think you'll take this pot down uncontested a fair amount of time to make up for the 8% equity you're laying in the pot against his range. I'm a little surprised he called with 99.

If his range is 77+, AJs+, he would have to fold 25% of the time for this to be break-even. So, calling with JJ+,AQs+,AKo?

Math:
(win 13k 40% when called (22.4%), lose 12k 60% when called (33.6%), win 4500 44% when not called = +2912 - 4012 + 1120 == 0).

If you put him on a tighter range, then it's an easy fold, since he's not folding much of hwat he's raising with.

BarryLyndon · #4 08-13-2007, 10:58 AM

I think the play is fine as long as you think he's the kind of player who isoraises with A10+; 77+. You may get a fold out of 1010 here, AJ, AQ, A10. That 99 called is pretty laughable, but you probably milked more information out of him than he out of you + you're going to get a lot of respect from LP raisors now.

Barry

black666 · #5 08-13-2007, 11:42 AM

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That 99 called is pretty laughable

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I don't know about that. Villain is getting 1.88:1 on the call so he needs to be only 34% favorite to break even. If he puts hero on a range of TT+,AQs+,AQo+ he has 37% equity and even make a profit. With a hero's range of JJ+,AKs,AKo it becomes slightly -EV for villain to call.

Against a random unknown player, I would call with 99. With a read, I fold.

Pokerfarian · #6 08-13-2007, 02:09 PM

Both players played this fine. Pushing with a hand as good as 99 with some FE is the correct play and the opp had the right equity + odds to call. {fwiw, 99 is 46% against 77+,AJ+, not 40%}

BarryLyndon · #7 08-13-2007, 02:15 PM

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Both players played this fine. Pushing with a hand as good as 99 with some FE is the correct play and the opp had the right equity + odds to call. {fwiw, 99 is 46% against 77+,AJ+, not 40%}

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ok, I need to be using pokerstove a lot more.

Barry

Dave D · #8 08-13-2007, 02:26 PM

Firstly, read the FAQ. Don't post results, it skews responses and is the reason why you didn't get any responses. Don't post if villian called you even.

Also, you need to give all stack sizes, even the limper's. That's kinda important.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of this push with no reads. I would push TT+, AQ/AK. 99 is just about where I fold. Villian raises 25% of his stack, which apparently was a donk move here given what he had (see, this is why we don't post results) but in general I think his range is very tight here a lot of the time (post the buy in, that matters too). I think hands like AK/AQ or a lower pair shove because they don't want a caller behind and people are scared to play them with more than one caller. With that raise, villian is bascially saying I don't care if someone calls behind. That to me signals TT+, and KK/AA a lot of the time.

I don't think you have any FE, given the odds he is getting as well as his raise. You're basically hoping for a flip here (I think he basically never has 88- here) with not a ton of overlay, it's not bad, but not great overlay, and a lot of the time he has you crushed.

Stack sizes are really awkward here, and calling 21% of our stack really sucks here too because a ton of cards are scare cards for us. I would fold, but push TT+, AQ/AK

udbrky · #9 08-13-2007, 06:48 PM

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Both players played this fine. Pushing with a hand as good as 99 with some FE is the correct play and the opp had the right equity + odds to call. {fwiw, 99 is 46% against 77+,AJ+, not 40%}

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I ran it again, 99 is 40% against 77+,AJ+

Offspring6767 · #10 08-13-2007, 06:49 PM

Sorry about posting the results, as for the stacks the hand converter keeps messing up and I can't find one that is half descent. Thanks for the feedback. Also the hand converter messed up my hand, which was 88. I'm guessing that makes it a fold for sure, as most people seem to think 99 is a close call. I had a big stack at this point, I think 70k and villain had 13k. Maybe that makes 88 closer?