2nd Best Hand in Poker Preflop.

Doyan · #1 08-12-2007, 10:38 PM

Had some weird run of cards lately with KK and its starting to make me gun shy. I am always optimistic getting my money in the middle with KK preflop against an unknown. I actually had poker tracker stats for the villian in the below hand but am I always calling here no matter what? Is there any point at all where its actually +EV to fold KK preflop to a big all in from a very tight opponent? Seems sometimes I get the feeling my opponent would only make that play with another KK or AA and I feel reluctant to call but I of course always do.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($17.40)
Button ($3.60)
SB ($49.15) // Total Hands:533 VP$IP:19.7 PFR%:5.06
BB ($57.50)
Hero ($23.65)
UTG+1 ($9.75)
MP1 ($13.30)
MP2 ($10.35)
MP3 ($25.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 5 folds, SB raises to $1.6, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.75, UTG+1 folds, SB raises to $50.75 (All-In), Hero calls $20.15 (All-In).

Flop: ($48.30) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($48.30) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($48.30) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $48.30

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Another Hand with KK allin preflop. Villain is unknown at this point, no stats but just from the little time at the table he appeared to be a typical opponent.

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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($24.80)
BB ($11.75)
UTG ($28.20)
UTG+1 ($33.50)
MP1 ($33.50)
MP2 ($15.90)
MP3 ($16)
Hero ($26.95)
Button ($21.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2, Button calls $2, 2 folds, MP1 raises to $5.75, Hero raises to $17, Button folds, MP1 raises to $39.25 (All-In), Hero calls $11.95 (All-In).

Flop: ($60.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($60.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($60.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $60.25

I guess I am curious are we always calling in these situations being optimistic that we have the best hand or are we going to expect AA a fair amount of time?

DannyOcean_ · #2 08-13-2007, 01:02 AM

KK preflop...

I never fold you...

lol variance-aments

But seriously, for 100bbs, without a monster-gross-unbelieveable nit, i never fold KK preflop. I've not folded KK preflop to date in my pokah career.

Heavens_Myst · #3 08-13-2007, 01:05 AM

first hand, bet 4xbb

second hand, raise to 2.50-3, then get it in after his 4bet

anthb7210p · #4 08-13-2007, 01:08 AM

without great reads u wanna try to get AI with KK preflop

ICMoney · #5 08-13-2007, 01:16 AM

Not really sure about the FR nits, but I'm never folding KK for 100bb pf.

Don't min 3b.

JackAll · #6 08-13-2007, 01:21 AM

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Is there any point at all where its actually +EV to fold KK preflop to a big all in from a very tight opponent?

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If their pfr% is no more than 4% (over min 10 hands), I can make a fold here for 100-150bb's

Also, cut out this rubbish if you like money.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K.
Hero calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 5 folds, SB raises to $1.6, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.75

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This too.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K.
Hero calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 5 folds, SB raises to $1.6, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.75

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And this. Jesus why did I reply to someone who is apparently a donkey?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K.
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2

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ryang · #7 08-13-2007, 04:04 PM

nice limp pf :|

maciczka · #8 08-13-2007, 08:18 PM

look at the stats of them. see PFR% if it's very small I can fold it preflop at FR.